StMichael Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 Another thing I am witnessing at my new parish is lay people taking the unconsumed Eucharist, combing them all and then placing them in the Tabernacle. It strikes me as wrong as the Priest watches on. As a former altar boy I can never recall the Priest allowing this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortify Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 what is so difficult about following the rubrics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havok579257 Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 [quote name='StMichael' timestamp='1308021768' post='2253451'] Found this online: http://www.adoremus.org/0210MassGesturesPostures.html Thoughts? Most of this i have practiced since a child. [/quote] this mentions shaking hands at the sign of peace. so then this would not be wrong like some people on here have mentioned, correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlySunshine Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 This is definitely one thing I don't like about my current parish. I think I can name three things that are less than desirable: -Holding hands during the Our Father -Long Sign of Peace with hugging and handshakes -Children's Liturgy of the Word (CLOW) with extended hands for blessing and singing "May the Word of God..." (I don't extend my hand for this) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 [quote name='havok579257' timestamp='1308152131' post='2254010'] this mentions shaking hands at the sign of peace. so then this would not be wrong like some people on here have mentioned, correct? [/quote] It's not necessary, and many of us object to it because it shifts the focus from the Sacrifice on the altar to the community. All that is necessary is for the priest to offer the peace of Christ. We as laypeople don't have to actually do anything at that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socalscout Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 Who cares? Is this really that big of a deal? Am I committing a mortal sin by holding hands as I pray the "Our Father" or I hug and kiss my son at the sign of peace? There are bigger rocks to deal with than these. As I stand before God in judgement I doubt my hand holding offenses will be scrutinized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faithcecelia Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 [quote name='socalscout' timestamp='1308164221' post='2254101'] As I stand before God in judgement I doubt my hand holding offenses will be scrutinized. [/quote] Amen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePenciledOne Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 [quote name='socalscout' timestamp='1308164221' post='2254101'] Who cares? Is this really that big of a deal? Am I committing a mortal sin by holding hands as I pray the "Our Father" or I hug and kiss my son at the sign of peace? There are bigger rocks to deal with than these. As I stand before God in judgement I doubt my hand holding offenses will be scrutinized. [/quote] Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 That's not a good attitude to have. Who cares if I don't genuflect when I sit down in my pew? God knows I respect Him, so why should I go through the trouble of doing an extra action to show it? Who cares if the priest allows some lay person to give the homily? It's just a little speech in the middle of Mass, no harm done. Who cares if I receive in a state of mortal sin? God knows I'm sorry, I don't have to go to confession and all that stuff. Who cares if I show up for Mass today? God knows I love him, if I miss just once or twice a month, it's alright. And so on with the slippery slope examples increasing in gravity. Counter-argument: If it's such a "little rock" and easy to deal with, why not just cut it out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 [quote name='socalscout' timestamp='1308164221' post='2254101'] Who cares? Is this really that big of a deal? Am I committing a mortal sin by holding hands as I pray the "Our Father" or I hug and kiss my son at the sign of peace? There are bigger rocks to deal with than these. As I stand before God in judgement I doubt my hand holding offenses will be scrutinized. [/quote] Nobody said it was sinful. Lots of people said they're uncomfortable with it, as is their right. The way I express my own faith does not include hand holding, and in terms of my own personality it makes me extremely uncomfortable. I don't have to like it. The exact point at which I draw the line is the point at which someone tries to compel me to perform with them their extra-liturgical postures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIKolbe Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1308166173' post='2254116'] Nobody said it was sinful. Lots of people said they're uncomfortable with it, as is their right. The way I express my own faith does not include hand holding, and in terms of my own personality it makes me extremely uncomfortable. I don't have to like it. The exact point at which I draw the line is the point at which someone tries to compel me to perform with them their extra-liturgical postures. [/quote] I guess I am a bit different. If I had a default position, it would be not to hold hands; but if someone outstretched their hand to me, I would take it. A brother or sister with an outstretched hand really doesn't make me exremely uncomfortable. But I wholeheartedly agree it is your right to not be compelled to hold hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePenciledOne Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 [quote name='USAirwaysIHS' timestamp='1308166055' post='2254114'] That's not a good attitude to have. Who cares if I don't genuflect when I sit down in my pew? God knows I respect Him, so why should I go through the trouble of doing an extra action to show it? Who cares if the priest allows some lay person to give the homily? It's just a little speech in the middle of Mass, no harm done. Who cares if I receive in a state of mortal sin? God knows I'm sorry, I don't have to go to confession and all that stuff. Who cares if I show up for Mass today? God knows I love him, if I miss just once or twice a month, it's alright. And so on with the slippery slope examples increasing in gravity. Counter-argument: If it's such a "little rock" and easy to deal with, why not just cut it out? [/quote] Questions before the counter-argument, just because someone says "Who cares?" does not mean it makes everything else relative... And as to the counter-argument, the question is not so much, 'why not just cut it out?' If it's already in place at a parish and if it's going to cause a lot of hub bub to eradicate it, where some thing it's a bigger rock then best to let it be, there are worst things that can be within the Mass. I think that's what he's getting at maybe, though that's just my perception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIKolbe Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 [quote name='ThePenciledOne' timestamp='1308167855' post='2254139'] And as to the counter-argument, the question is not so much, 'why not just cut it out?' If it's already in place at a parish and if it's going to cause a lot of hub bub to eradicate it, where some thing it's a bigger rock then best to let it be, [/quote] While I can see the value of this argument, I think it puts a pastoral spin on something that wasn't designed to be pastoral to begin with... i could be wrong, though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 [quote name='MIkolbe' timestamp='1308166486' post='2254120'] I guess I am a bit different. If I had a default position, it would be not to hold hands; but if someone outstretched their hand to me, I would take it. A brother or sister with an outstretched hand really doesn't make me exremely uncomfortable. But I wholeheartedly agree it is your right to not be compelled to hold hands. [/quote] For me it's a combination of psychological and theological. Theologically, it's superfluous. Roughly on the level of holding a rosary or medal in your hands during Mass to help you pray. So theologically it's not necessary, which leaves some limited, reasonable freedom to us laypeople. In that context, that's where psychology comes in. I don't like holding hands. It makes me personally uncomfortable. That's all just multiplied to an enormous degree if I feel like I'm being pressured or forced. So theologically unnecessary objectively, and subjectively, on my personal level, harmful to my participation in the Mass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIKolbe Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 (note to self..never hold Nihil's hand) lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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