StMichael Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 http://thestir.cafemom.com/pregnancy/114867/couple_aborts_sons_waiting_for Couple Aborts Sons, Waiting for Daughter As the world waits with bated breath to see if Victoria "Posh" and David Beckhams' pink dreams come true, another couple in Australia is also waiting for a female child. But their way of "waiting" is much more tragic. The unnamed couple has three sons and lost a baby daughter soon after birth. They are so desperate to have a little girl that they recently aborted twin boys conceived via IVF and are now going to court to win the right to select the sex by IVF treatment. They say they want the opportunity to have the baby daughter they were tragically denied. Let that sink in for a moment. They want the daughter they were tragically denied and are willing to further the tragedy by aborting male fetuses. I'm not against abortion. It's a personal choice and I believe every woman has the right to make it, but this is awful. Truly, it's a tragedy all around. It's a tragedy that these parents lost their child. I can't imagine wanting and longing for a daughter, having her, and losing her. But I would like to think that such a tragedy would make me hug my three remaining babies tighter, that it would make me want another baby, period. No matter what the gender. I can't judge their grief or how they respond to it, but I do judge their decision to keep reliving their loss and to create life only in order to end it. There are other ways to have a baby daughter that don't involve such physically and emotionally invasive measures. If this were China and they were aborting baby girls or leaving them out to die because of the one-child policy that favors boys, then we would all say what they were doing was wrong. How is this different? A gender preference is one thing. Destroying life because of it is another. Of course, judging a couple in such acute grief just seems cruel. I do hope the Australian court grants them their wish because otherwise I fear they will just keep getting pregnant and aborting until they see female parts. In this case, maybe modern science can help prevent more tragedy. Do you think they are doing the wrong thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southern california guy Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Definitely. I've heard stories of the reverse being done in China (Daughters aborted). I don't know if those stories are true or not but it is incredibly sad. It would be horrible to have something bad happen to one of your children. To be the one who caused it is totally insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Of course they are doing the wrong thing, you don't keep murdering off children every time you get pregnant to get the one you feel like keeping! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AudreyGrace Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 They are absolutely doing the wrong thing. A child - regardless of it's gender - is a beautiful gift. Also, they way I see it, if they need IVF then maybe they're not supposed to have kids in the first place. I know it sounds cruel, but hey. It's not natural, and God certainly doesn't want babies to be created like that especially if they're going to end up being aborted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Winchester Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 It's really the fault of pro life organizations, which in their fight to make murder of children illegal, don't set up enough coddling for people who choose to seek abortions. The real issue is that we do not do enough for people who are inconvenienced by the consequences of their actions. If we really cared, we could give up trying to make abortion illegal and just give million dollar checks to anyone wanting an abortion in order to make their lives easy enough that they did not have make this difficult, difficult choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Abortion because the baby is the "wrong" sex = bad Abortion for no particular reason = good. Weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thessalonian Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 "I'm not against abortion." On what moral basis can you judge anything as wrong if you don't see abortion as wrong? How can you say "this is awful". You are drawing arbitrary lines based on personal whim and children are dying. I think this is awful and there is a God who would agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AudreyGrace Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 [quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1295002078' post='2200004'] don't set up enough coddling for people who choose to seek abortions. [/quote] I agree to an extent. There are pro-life organizations out there like Care Net that encourage motherhood and provide clothes, formula, etc to struggling mothers in attempts to avoid abortion. Still, there's alot more we can do. Since it's impossible for most everyone to hand out millions, we have to work on positive and lasting effects of the pro-life movement. Like encouraging motherhood, daycare programs, job placement counseling, etc. I just love babies so much. And their moms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archaeology cat Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 I wonder how their sons feel. I'd think they feel like they aren't as loved because they aren't girls. While my great-grandmothers obviously didn't abort their daughters, their daughters grew up knowing their mothers had wanted them to be boys, and they had issues with that (who wouldn't?). I'm sorry for this couple's loss - I can't imagine it and I hope I never have to imagine it. Their solution, however, is horrific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 [quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1295002078' post='2200004'] It's really the fault of pro life organizations, which in their fight to make murder of children illegal, don't set up enough coddling for people who choose to seek abortions. The real issue is that we do not do enough for people who are inconvenienced by the consequences of their actions. If we really cared, we could give up trying to make abortion illegal and just give million dollar checks to anyone wanting an abortion in order to make their lives easy enough that they did not have make this difficult, difficult choice. [/quote] Careful Winnie, the bleeding hearts will take your words at face value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 This is sick and disgusting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrestia Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 [quote]I'm not against abortion. It's a personal choice and I believe every woman has the right to make it, but this is awful. Truly, it's a tragedy all around.[/quote] Sounds like [b]cognitive dissonance[/b] to me, but I'm no psychologist. Maybe she feels like she should be pro-choice even though she realizes that there is nothing good about elective abortion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dara Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 ~shakes head~ Everything about this is wrong. Everything. It's a travesty and a tragedy. And not in the least the fact that abortion is absolutely against the teachings of the Church, and as Catholics we are not at liberty to say "I am in favor of abortion". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MithLuin Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 I do think that is a terrible thing, and indicative of the feeling of...entitlement, of control and choice, associated with IVF. Because of the technology, couples (or even single women) feel justified in saying...I want things [i]my[/i] way. I want this...but not that....and I am going to make it happen. I have a friend who is herself one of three girls. So, she grew up without brothers, and was not close (geographically) to any of her cousins. So...she really doesn't have much experience with young boys, and always said that she wanted to have daughters herself. Her first child was a girl (all was well). She's pregnant with the second child, a boy, and she's struggling to be excited about that. I mean, she's happy she's having a baby, but....she wasn't happy to hear it was a boy. Hopefully, by the time the baby is born, she'll be thrilled and get over her last vestiges of reticence. Certainly, her baby is in no danger of falling victim to something like these babies did! I just mention it to say that it's certainly natural to have some gender preferences in light of the circumstances, but [i]how you deal with[/i] such a thing is really the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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