Adeodatus Posted April 21, 2004 Share Posted April 21, 2004 Dear Br Adam, Is the Eucharist a sign? Yes, but it's also the reality the sign points to. Is Jesus present spiritually in the Eucharist? Yes, of course. But this presence is also a real and substantial presence. Is it appropriate to worship the Eucharist? It's only appropriate to worship God. And the Eucharist is the sacramental presence of Christ our God, present whole and entire in His flesh and blood, His soul and divinity, i.e. the whole Risen Christ mysteriously present to us in the appearances of bread and wine. I think you know all this. Only one thing remains. You already love Jesus. You just have to recognise Jesus wherever He is. He is in the Eucharist. When I un-lapsed and came back to the practice of my Faith, the first thing I was convinced of was the Eucharist. I fell in love with Jesus in the Eucharist. After that, the rest was a piece of cake! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willguy Posted April 21, 2004 Share Posted April 21, 2004 [quote name='Adeodatus' date='Apr 21 2004, 05:00 AM'] I fell in love with Jesus in the Eucharist. After that, the rest was a piece of cake! [/quote] I didn't know that cake was allowed in the current rubrics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicAndFanatical Posted April 21, 2004 Share Posted April 21, 2004 Hey brother Adam, im sure you have, but have to ask. Did you see the connection between John 6:58-62, and the Last Supper? Somewhere in John 6 (I dont have it in front of me right now) Before Jesus says "Amen, Amen I say to you that whosoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life", the Jews quarreled amongst themselves.. Ok, I know you know this already but the Jews asked a good question - "How can this man give us His Flesh to eat?" Jesus answers this at the Last Supper. Holding up the bread and turning it into His body by saying "This IS my Body..." basically answering the question the Jews, and actually the Apostles as well, asked. Ok, thats my .001 cents. Im sure you already thought about this, you are a very intelligent man and I commend you on your journey and approach at this. God Love ya Adam. May the Holy Spirit fill your soul and give you the knowledge and answers you seek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted April 21, 2004 Share Posted April 21, 2004 Okay... milk answer, but it helped me... God was fully present in the burning bush. Moses hid his face because God was truly present. God was not a burning bush anymore than God is a wafer of bread. But the wholeness of himself was present there. Most protestants won't deny the "Real Presence" in the burning bush, but they do in the Eucharist... double standard... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted April 21, 2004 Share Posted April 21, 2004 (edited) Double post... Edited April 21, 2004 by homeschoolmom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilovechrist Posted April 21, 2004 Share Posted April 21, 2004 Fanatic-- that should answer the majority of this debate right there in your post.. excellent. as i had said before, many Jews left--for they could not bear the truth of what Jesus said in John 6--and he emphasized it even more at the Last Supper. therefore.. should we not follow his instructions and believe in the Real Presence when it's there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
point5 Posted April 21, 2004 Share Posted April 21, 2004 Another way I was once told to look at it is that we as christians believe that Jesus is 100% man and 100% God. Hard to grasp, as hard as the Eucharist! If we lived in Jesus' day we could have done countless of scientific tests to see whether he was man or God...and all blood results and other test would conclude that he was a man. We know he is God too. The same goes for the Eucharist. Take the host pre and post transubstantiation and we will find the same scientific results with it...merely a wafer. It is the faith that we have from scripture and Tradition that tells us it his actuall body and blood just as Jesus was actually God. Kiel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted April 21, 2004 Share Posted April 21, 2004 [quote name='point5' date='Apr 21 2004, 09:52 AM'] Another way I was once told to look at it is that we as christians believe that Jesus is 100% man and 100% God. Hard to grasp, as hard as the Eucharist! If we lived in Jesus' day we could have done countless of scientific tests to see whether he was man or God...and all blood results and other test would conclude that he was a man. We know he is God too. The same goes for the Eucharist. Take the host pre and post transubstantiation and we will find the same scientific results with it...merely a wafer. It is the faith that we have from scripture and Tradition that tells us it his actuall body and blood just as Jesus was actually God. Kiel [/quote] Very good analogy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted April 21, 2004 Share Posted April 21, 2004 We need to copy that to somewhere..O phatcatholic... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted April 21, 2004 Author Share Posted April 21, 2004 ilovechrist, It is not that simple. If you don't believe me, talk to BobRyan on BaptistBoard. He can tear that argument to shreds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quietfire Posted April 21, 2004 Share Posted April 21, 2004 [quote name='Jake Huether' date='Apr 20 2004, 04:55 PM'] God is the maker of all things. He is who attaches substance to accidents. If he tells me that my silver coin is really gold, then although it may look silver, and although scientifically it is silver, I know, because God told me so. [/quote] Wouldnt this be Faith Walk by Faith, not by sight. If GOD told me that my silver coin was gold, not only would I believe it true because of my faith in GOD...but the coin WOULD be gold. Does this not lead back to all the miracles that Jesus did? Many a time he healed and then said..."Your faith has healed you." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted April 21, 2004 Author Share Posted April 21, 2004 faith is a verb acted out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted April 21, 2004 Share Posted April 21, 2004 [quote name='Brother Adam' date='Apr 21 2004, 03:12 PM'] faith is a verb acted out. [/quote] Which makes having faith a work in itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willguy Posted April 21, 2004 Share Posted April 21, 2004 [quote name='dUSt' date='Apr 21 2004, 04:19 PM'] Which makes having faith a work in itself. [/quote] nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Conquers Posted April 21, 2004 Share Posted April 21, 2004 bam. I like that dUSt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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