Rep U.s. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords Of Arizona Shot

[Sternhauser]

[quote name='Ed Normile' timestamp='1294880275' post='2199485']
You are right Stern, we should definetly nuke Canada.

ed
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Uh, erm... what?

~Sternhauser

[Jesus_lol]

[quote name='liseski' timestamp='1294858335' post='2199390']
ok. enough of that. I am also Canadian, but have no desire to bash the USA. I don't find it respectful to discuss US politics with US citizends on US soil (or servers, lol). I can't vote, so I don't get to bash.
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That is almost as silly as a Polish guy in 1939 saying he cant complain about German policies because he isnt a german citizen. Countries reach outside their borders all the time, and the USA has awfully large influence on canadian policies and our citizens.

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='Jesus_lol' timestamp='1294881449' post='2199500']
That is almost as silly as a Polish guy in 1939 saying he cant complain about German policies because he isnt a german citizen. Countries reach outside their borders all the time, and the USA has awfully large influence on canadian policies and our citizens.
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What are the Germany-Nazi like policies that America has incorporated that you are protesting against? Most of the US policy I see you protest doesn't even seem to be close to Nazi policies. Forgive me but I think you are a Canadian that really doesn't like right of centered American ideology. You can have your own opinion, but you are a foreigner, you aren't subject to American law, you don't vote in American elections, you don't not pay the American government tax, you aren't taxed by the American government, you are on the outside looking in and making judgment calls on our way of life. Thus your opinion carries less weight, than someone who lives in America, especially since most of what you argue against doesn't really come close to Nazi like policy.

[Sternhauser]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' timestamp='1294886382' post='2199519']
What are the Germany-Nazi like policies that America has incorporated that you are protesting against? Most of the US policy I see you protest doesn't even seem to be close to Nazi policies . . . ., especially since most of what you argue against doesn't really come close to Nazi like policy.
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Nor did his argument come close to comparing the policies of the Nazis and the United State.

If his actual point, which you ignored, is that the policies of some States affect those with whom they interact, why not condemn all the talk here about Israel and Iraq and Afghanistan and China? Is it because [i]their [/i]State[i] [/i]policies or the lack thereof affect other people?

~Sternhauser

Edited January 13, 2011 by Sternhauser

[ThePenciledOne]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' timestamp='1294886382' post='2199519']
What are the Germany-Nazi like policies that America has incorporated that you are protesting against? Most of the US policy I see you protest doesn't even seem to be close to Nazi policies. Forgive me but I think you are a Canadian that really doesn't like right of centered American ideology. You can have your own opinion, but you are a foreigner, you aren't subject to American law, you don't vote in American elections, you don't not pay the American government tax, you aren't taxed by the American government, you are on the outside looking in and making judgment calls on our way of life. Thus your opinion carries less weight, than someone who lives in America, especially since most of what you argue against doesn't really come close to Nazi like policy.
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He was merely using an analogy. Don't get to hung up the nazism, its just an easy analogy to show how policies reach beyond a countries border's.

Another example would be how the building of nuclear weapons in the U.S. spurred the fact that all countries should have nukes as well. i.e. Iran and Russia

That is simplification, but I think we have a way of over analyzing things anyway.

Edited January 13, 2011 by ThePenciledOne

[Ed Normile]

[quote name='Sternhauser' timestamp='1294881323' post='2199498']
Uh, erm... what?

~Sternhauser
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Oh sure, you can try to hide it all you want you warmonger, but its there in black and white when one reads between the lines, Stern has called for the nuclear annihilation of Canada, and I feel he is on to something !

ed

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='Sternhauser' timestamp='1294886494' post='2199522']
Nor did his argument come close to comparing the policies of the Nazis and the United State.

If his actual point, which you ignored, is that the policies of some States affect those with whom they interact, why not condemn all the talk here about Israel and Iraq and Afghanistan and China? Is it because [i]their [/i]State[i] [/i]policies or the lack thereof affect other people?

~Sternhauser
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[quote name='ThePenciledOne' timestamp='1294886580' post='2199523']
He was merely using an analogy. Don't get to hung up the nazism, its just an easy analogy to show how policies reach beyond a countries border's.

Another example would be how the building of nuclear weapons in the U.S. spurred the fact that all countries should have nukes as well. i.e. Iran and Russia

That is simplification, but I think we have a way of over analyzing things anyway.
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Oh I knew there were no Nazi like policies he was protesting, that was my point. I object to the comparison because in 1939 in Poland an oppressive army was preparing to invade Poland, giving the people of Poland a clear and legitimate right to protest unjust actions.

My other point was that while yes he can make his opitions and dislikes of American known, unless they are truly life and death, then his opinion of America because he doesn't live here is less important than someone who does. He is more than welcome to become an citizen make his opinion of us and our nations policies count.

[Jesus_lol]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' timestamp='1294886382' post='2199519']
What are the Germany-Nazi like policies that America has incorporated that you are protesting against? Most of the US policy I see you protest doesn't even seem to be close to Nazi policies. Forgive me but I think you are a Canadian that really doesn't like right of centered American ideology. You can have your own opinion, but you are a foreigner, you aren't subject to American law, you don't vote in American elections, you don't not pay the American government tax, you aren't taxed by the American government, you are on the outside looking in and making judgment calls on our way of life. Thus your opinion carries less weight, than someone who lives in America, especially since most of what you argue against doesn't really come close to Nazi like policy.
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You [i]know [/i]that you are misinterpreting my words, what is the point of that?? I said it to make a fairly relatable analogy. heck the fact that they were nazis does not even come into the picture, just the act of one country invading another.
In that particular manner, the USA has much in common, as an instigator of countless conflicts, standoffs, battles and even a couple of generation defining wars of dubious morality.

Just in a general manner, i find having an american say i should stay out of other countries business to be flat out hilarious! little bit of irony for you. No one on this phorum seems to have any trouble judging canada, because we are so liberal and our healthcare is so communist, etc. or when the king of spain isnt catholic enough. Pretty much whenever any other countries come up, they are being judged in some way, it just so happens the base of the forum is american and likes to talk about itself, so other countries being mentioned doesnt happen all that often.

yes i am a canadian who generally dislikes far right american politics. i share that trait with about 60% of americans last time i checked.

It should be reiterated, though you have ignored me before when i have mentioned it, but canadian policies and american policies go hand in hand. American pressure has negatively effected a lot of our lawmaking and policies. Quite aside from any pressure exerted on us from south of our border, our elected politicians(can you say steven harper) will try to ingratiate themselves with the President of their own accord, with the price landing on us canadians.

not to mention our intimately linked trade, whenever you guys have a problem with something, we get to have it as well. American economic policies lead to a massive recession, canadian job market tanks. To say canadians have a certain stake in however the USA is being run is understating it.


[quote name='KnightofChrist' timestamp='1294891653' post='2199553']
Oh I knew there were no Nazi like policies he was protesting, that was my point. I object to the comparison because in 1939 in Poland an oppressive army was preparing to invade Poland, giving the people of Poland a clear and legitimate right to protest unjust actions.
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hah, i was right.

I wouldnt say "no" nazilike policies. If you want to get technical, the rapid losses of american freedoms since 2001, the continuous "us against them" rhetoric spewed by everyone with polished teeth and a microphone, torturing of political prisoners, denying fair trial and other "wartime measures", and aggressive military action sold to the american public under false pretenses... all hit a little close to home when you are making comparisons. I wasnt talking about any of that stuff, but there you go.

heck if you add the one half of the country that thought so from 2001-2008, and the other half that thinks so from 2008-present, that makes nearly 100% of the american population that is convinced that the USA was ruled by Hitler at some point in the last 10 years.


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My other point was that while yes he can make his opitions and dislikes of American known, unless they are truly life and death, then his opinion of America because he doesn't live here is less important than someone who does. He is more than welcome to become an citizen make his opinion of us and our nations policies count.
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Im willing to be thought of as less important. as a minority thinker on this website, that happens often enough already.

[KnightofChrist]

My point was I knew you had no real policies of the United States that match that of Nazi Germany, thus your analogy was invalid. I do not believe their is balance between things you protest and the things that actually directly effect your nation. Most of what you seem to complain about is things you don't like about America when it is right of centered policy or ideology.

Also I stated you can have your opinions about the Untied States but unless the examples [u]directly[/u] effect your own nation, such as a life and death example, your opinions of a nation you don't live in are less important that those that do live in that nation. If you want your opinion of our way of life to count for than it does now then move here, otherwise don't forget that when you do make judgment calls on our way of life that you are an outsider looking in, and people aren't likely to place your opinion over someone who actually lives in the United States.

[KnightofChrist]

Also my opinions of Canadians and Canada, that are not about live and death, are also less important than the opinions of Canadians who actually live in Canada.

Edited January 13, 2011 by KnightofChrist

[ThePenciledOne]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' timestamp='1294891653' post='2199553']
Oh I knew there were no Nazi like policies he was protesting, that was my point. I object to the comparison because in 1939 in Poland an oppressive army was preparing to invade Poland, giving the people of Poland a clear and legitimate right to protest unjust actions.

My other point was that while yes he can make his opinions and dislikes of American known, unless they are truly life and death, [b]then his opinion of America because he doesn't live here is less important than someone who does. [/b]He is more than welcome to become an citizen make his opinion of us and our nations policies count.
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Ok, so you don't like the comparison of Nazi Germany to the modern U.S.A......ok.

The bolded statement is what bothers me, because as a Catholic I find that allegiance more important. Having 'patriotism' is nonsense when you have Faith to something Higher than 'government'. But, that is my opinion and yes I do live here. I don't mean to become rude or anything, but I find it annoying when people pull that patriotism or country card.

[KnightofChrist]

I've said what I've said about foreigners having opinions about nations they don't live in, foreigners opinions about nations they don't live in, that aren't about life and death, are less important that those of the citizens who actually live in the nation.

That said could we please get focus back onto the topic of the dead and wounded and not about politics or the opinion people have of politics, foreign or not?

[ThePenciledOne]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' timestamp='1294895544' post='2199573']
I've said what I've said about foreigners having opinions about nations they don't live in, foreigners opinions about nations they don't live in, that aren't about life and death, are less important that those of the citizens who actually live in the nation.

That said could we please get focus back onto the topic of the dead and wounded and not about politics or the opinion people have of politics, foreign or not?
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Ok then.

You tell me when we can get back to it, because everyone else has been content to talk about the politics of our 'wonderful' country instead.

I've said my bit concerning them, and I hope that those that did pass, are within the Father's arms.

[KnightofChrist]

By Thy resurrection from the dead, O Christ, death no longer hath dominion over those who die in holiness. So, we beseech Thee, give rest to Thy servants in Thy sanctuary and in Abraham's bosom. Grant it to those, who from Adam until now have adored Thee with purity, to our fathers and brothers, to our kinsmen and friends, to all men who have lived by faith and passed on their road to Thee, by a thousand ways, and in all conditions, and make them worthy of the heavenly kingdom. Amen

My Jesus, by the sorrows Thou didst suffer in Thine agony in the Garden, in Thy scourging and crowning with thorns, in the way to Calvary, in Thy crucifixion and death, have mercy on the souls in purgatory, and especially on those that are most forsaken; do Thou deliver them from the dire torments they endure; call them and admit them to Thy most sweet embrace in paradise. Amen

Father, your Son accepted sufferings to teach us the virtue of patience in human illness. Hear the prayers we offer for our sick brothers and sisters. May all who suffer pain, illness or disease realize that they are chosen to be saints, and to know that they are joined to Christ in his suffering for the salvation of the world, who lives and reigns with you and the Holy Spirit, one God, for ever and ever. Amen

[Sternhauser]

[quote name='ThePenciledOne' timestamp='1294895316' post='2199572']
The bolded statement is what bothers me, because as a Catholic I find that allegiance more important. Having 'patriotism' is nonsense when you have Faith to something Higher than 'government'.
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I agree. I am a citizen of Rome. Of the Universal Church.

~Sternhauser