Rep U.s. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords Of Arizona Shot

[Jesus_lol]

[quote name='Ed Normile' timestamp='1294727553' post='2198908']
Thats the left, never let a good tragedy pass without politicising it.

ed
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*cough cough* conservative exploitation of 9/11*cough*


Some typically conservative stations and politicians especially have this problem to fix. when you see liberal pundits, they make caustic remarks and mock, but not so much the suggestions that opposing people die, be beheaded, executed that are common on fox news in the past decade.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Jesus_lol' timestamp='1294728074' post='2198913']
*cough cough* conservative exploitation of 9/11*cough*


Some typically conservative stations and politicians especially have this problem to fix. when you see liberal pundits, they make caustic remarks and mock, but not so much the suggestions that opposing people die, be beheaded, executed that are common on fox news in the past decade.
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Pot calls the kettle black?
For years the radical ( and not so radical ) left called for the demise of President Bush.

[Norseman82]

I was reading that the nine-year old girl is the granddaughter of pro baseball manager Dallas Green.

Sad. Real sad.

[Ed Normile]

[quote name='Jesus_lol' timestamp='1294728074' post='2198913']
*cough cough* conservative exploitation of 9/11*cough*


Some typically conservative stations and politicians especially have this problem to fix. when you see liberal pundits, they make caustic remarks and mock, but not so much the suggestions that opposing people die, be beheaded, executed that are common on fox news in the past decade.
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You must have your news orgs confused. CNN has called for G.W. to be executed as well as Rush Limbaugh, I would be interested in your posting one example of Fox news calling for anyone to be executed or beheaded, thats a liberal tact, just like tax evasion, lying under oath, and pro-abortion stances are.

Oh, and by " consevative exploitation of 9/11 " do you mean tightening watch on terrorists organizations, and beefing up national security? If so most of your liberal clowns, oops politicians, even Joe Biden voted for these measures as the public demanded them at the time.

ed

Edited January 11, 2011 by Ed Normile

[Ed Normile]

[quote name='Norseman82' timestamp='1294729583' post='2198927']
I was reading that the nine-year old girl is the granddaughter of pro baseball manager Dallas Green.

Sad. Real sad.
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The sad part is she was a 9 year old child, she should have had her whole life ahead of her, she should have grew up, made mistakes, corrected them, fell in love , found God, so much was stolen from her, and by extension from us, who knows what this girl may have brought to the world. To me it would have been no less sad if this was the granddaughter of Saddam Hussein or the great-great granddaughter of Hitler,this was a child, an innocent.

ed

[BG45]

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-january-10-2011/arizona-shootings-reaction

I think everyone here can agree with Jon Stewart's take on everything. Read up about those who were hurt and killed, to be comforted by how much good is in the world that these people had done. That it's obvious by this point that this guy was not well and no side was responsible, liberal or conservative. And that we don't become numbed to the horror of events like this one or jump to politicize it.

It's probably, other than the segment with John Oliver, the most serious I've seen him since 9/11.

[dominicansoul]

according to the sheriff of that district, Rush Limbaugh is to blame....

[dominicansoul]

it is very sad to point fingers and politicize...

[Lil Red]

it's misdirection

his office has a file thick on this guy and they didn't do a beaver dam thing to stop him even though there are provisions for this kind of situation in arizona law.

[dominicansoul]

[quote name='Jesus_lol' timestamp='1294728074' post='2198913']
Some typically conservative stations and politicians especially have this problem to fix. when you see liberal pundits, they make caustic remarks and mock, but not so much the suggestions that opposing people die, be beheaded, executed that are common on fox news in the past decade.
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that's ridiculous. You seem to only hear what you want to hear. liberal pundits are much worse. they call for murder and they get it (ie. abortion.) I don't know how many times certain loud-mouthed liberals wanted Bush to die, (from stupid liberal celebrities, websites praying for his death, the witches on the View, etc. etc. etc.) but the media never called them out for their remarks. You can't possibly imagine all the death threats he has received or the danger this put him in.

What happened to Giffords was preventable. This is another case of some nut-job who gave plenty of warning signs and red flags, and the authorities doing absolutely nothing about it. Also, the way things are today, I'm surprised politicians don't have security detail and protection for where ever they go.

To say that conservatives call for the murder of their enemies, while ignoring the much more hated rhetoric of the liberal left and the power of influence that the liberal mass media has....well, that's just assinine....

[Socrates]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' timestamp='1294626325' post='2198429']
I think it's pretty dang sick to make this political, sure people want to hate Sara Palin but this isn't the time. This is the time to pray for the recovery of those harmed, and to pray for the souls of the dead. Not that it is important, but it is doubtful that he would have taken any advice from Sara Palin since his schoolmates claim that he is "liberal" and "leftwing".
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Curses!
That means we can't use this shooting for left-wing political leverage!

Or, wait, yes we still can! Why let a little thing like the facts stand in the way of political opportunism!
Rep. Giffords has not been near-mortally wounded in vain! Alleluia!
Down with the conservatives!



[quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1294689637' post='2198674']
here's a good article from Ross Douthat:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/10/opinion/10douthat.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1294646440-Ex7LHe3ZVFIPfIi949y1Qw

good snippet:
But if overheated rhetoric and martial imagery really led inexorably to murder, then both parties would belong in the dock. (It took conservative bloggers about five minutes to come up with Democratic campaign materials that employed targets and crosshairs against Republican politicians.) When our politicians and media loudmouths act like geniuses and zealots, they should be held responsible for being geniuses and zealots. They shouldn’t be held responsible for the darkness that always waits to swallow up the unstable and the lost.
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Nice to see a piece of sanity in the NY Times - in contrast to the other predictable-as-clockwork op-eds linked to on that page blaming it all on those awful conservatives with their guns and religion.

[quote name='CatherineM' timestamp='1294696354' post='2198702']
Because whenever there is a front page type story involving someone doing something horrific who is suspected of having a mental illness, my husband is asked to comment. He's a mental health advocate. No it doesn't make her any less injured if done by a person with a mental illness anymore than it makes the other people less dead. I think it might give us comfort thinking that someone is ill rather than just evil. We don't like to think that ordinary people can do horrific things. At least I don't.
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Guess that's understandable for you personally. (Though I think it's ridiculous that people insist that your husband give some comment about crimes he obviously had nothing to do with.)

I'm just sick of the liberal media trying to point the finger of blame on everyone right of Nancy Pelosi every time some nut kills or attempts to kill people in government.
Harder to do if the guy's obviously just a nut, as opposed to a right wingnut (not that they let that stop them).

[Socrates]

[quote name='Jesus_lol' timestamp='1294705025' post='2198749']
And I am another one. Should take your head out of the hole Fox News has probably put it into, the world is not so black and white as you think.
[/quote]
Haha. Looks like somebody took the troll-bait.

Everything that guy posts is a joke. (Check out the "Elton John" thread.)
I doubt FOX News had anything to do with it.

[Socrates]

[quote name='Ed Normile' timestamp='1294730130' post='2198934']
You must have your news orgs confused. CNN has called for G.W. to be executed as well as Rush Limbaugh, I would be interested in your posting one example of Fox news calling for anyone to be executed or beheaded, thats a liberal tact, just like tax evasion, lying under oath, and pro-abortion stances are.
[/quote]
I think he had it confused with one of the Evil Dead movies or something.

Silly liberals.

[Socrates]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' timestamp='1294728526' post='2198918']
Pot calls the kettle black?
For years the radical ( and not so radical ) left called for the demise of President Bush.
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Can't you see, that's [i]totally[/i] different! Bush [i]deserved[/i] to be killed, of course!

[4588686]

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/11/opinion/11brooks.html?_r=1&ref=davidbrooks
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[b]Op-Ed Columnist[/b]

[b]The Politicized Mind[/b]

[b]By [url="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/opinion/editorialsandoped/oped/columnists/davidbrooks/index.html?inline=nyt-per"]DAVID BROOKS[/url][/b]

[b]Published: January 10, 2011[/b]
Before he allegedly went off on his shooting rampage in Tucson, Jared Loughner listed some of his favorite books on his YouTube page. These included: “Animal Farm,” “Brave New World,” “Alice in Wonderland,” “One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest,” “Through the Looking Glass” and “The Communist Manifesto.” Many of these books share a common theme: individuals trying to control their own thoughts and government or some other force trying to take that control away.

Loughner also made a series of videos. These, too, suggest that he was struggling to control his own mind. Just before his killing spree, Loughner made one called “My Final Thoughts.” In it he writes about different levels of consciousness and dreaming. He tries to build a rigid structure to organize his thinking. He uses the word “currency” as a metaphor for an inner language to make sense of the world.

“You create and distribute your new currency, listener?” the video asks. “You don’t allow the government to control your grammar structure, listener?”

All of this evidence, which is easily accessible on the Internet, points to the possibility that Loughner may be suffering from a mental illness like schizophrenia. The vast majority of schizophrenics are not violent, and those that receive treatment are not violent. But as Dr. E. Fuller Torrey, a research psychiatrist, writes in his book, “The Insanity Offense,” about 1 percent of the seriously mentally ill (or about 40,000 individuals) are violent. They account for about half the rampage murders in the United States.

Other themes from Loughner’s life fit the rampage-killer profile. He saw himself in world historical terms. He appeared to have a poor sense of his own illness (part of a condition known as anosognosia). He had increasingly frequent run-ins with the police. In short, the evidence before us suggests that Loughner was locked in a world far removed from politics as we normally understand it.

Yet the early coverage and commentary of the Tucson massacre suppressed this evidence. The coverage and commentary shifted to an entirely different explanation: Loughner unleashed his rampage because he was incited by the violent rhetoric of the Tea Party, the anti-immigrant movement and Sarah Palin.

Mainstream news organizations linked the attack to an offensive target map issued by Sarah Palin’s political action committee. The Huffington Post erupted, with former Senator Gary Hart flatly stating that the killings were the result of angry political rhetoric. Keith Olbermann demanded a Palin repudiation and the founder of the Daily Kos wrote on Twitter: “Mission Accomplished, Sarah Palin.” Others argued that the killing was fostered by a political climate of hate.

These accusations — that political actors contributed to the murder of 6 people, including a 9-year-old girl — are extremely grave. They were made despite the fact that there was, and is, no evidence that Loughner was part of these movements or a consumer of their literature. They were made despite the fact that the link between political rhetoric and actual violence is extremely murky. They were vicious charges made by people who claimed to be criticizing viciousness.

Yet such is the state of things. We have a news media that is psychologically ill informed but politically inflamed, so it naturally leans toward political explanations. We have a news media with a strong distaste for Sarah Palin and the Tea Party movement, and this seemed like a golden opportunity to tarnish them. We have a segmented news media, so there is nobody in most newsrooms to stand apart from the prevailing assumptions. We have a news media market in which the rewards go to anybody who can stroke the audience’s pleasure buttons.

I have no love for Sarah Palin, and I like to think I’m committed to civil discourse. But the political opportunism occasioned by this tragedy has ranged from the completely irrelevant to the shamelessly irresponsible.

The good news is that there were a few skeptics, even during the height of the mania: [url="http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2011-01-08/gabrielle-giffords-shooting-dont-blame-sarah-palin/"]Howard Kurtz of The Daily Beast[/url], [url="http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/01/the-cloudy-logic-of-political-shootings/69147/"]James Fallows of The Atlantic[/url] and [url="http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-chait/81168/the-arizona-shooting-not-product-right-wing-rage"]Jonathan Chait of The New Republic[/url]. The other good news is that the mainstream media usually recovers from its hysterias and tries belatedly to get the story right.

If the evidence continues as it has, the obvious questions are these: How can we more aggressively treat mentally ill people who are becoming increasingly disruptive? How can we prevent them from getting guns? Do we need to make involuntary treatment easier for authorities to invoke?

Torrey’s book describes a nation that has been unable to come up with a humane mental health policy — one that protects the ill from their own demons and society from their rare but deadly outbursts. The other problem is this: contemporary punditry lives in the world of superficial tactics and interests. It is unprepared when an event opens the door to a deeper realm of disorder, cruelty and horror.