Bomb Hits Egypt Church At New Year's Mass, 21 Dead

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='Sternhauser' timestamp='1294265869' post='2197149']
Does the Psalm pray for violence to be done to the evildoer? "Render a reward to the proud" seems to be a call for justice. It also simply lists what God will do, especially in verse 16 to 23. It doesn't call for God to "Render them their iniquity," it doesn't ask God to "destroy them," as the Priest of God did. Is praying for the destruction of evildoers what [i]Jesus[/i] taught his disciples to do? Call down fire from heaven to destroy people?

~Sternhauser
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The last words of the Psalm read "the Lord our God will destroy them". The Lord will met out justice on unrepentant sinners, not the faithful.

[Mr.Cat]

[quote name='HisChildForever' timestamp='1294266019' post='2197151']Yes, he said "I agree" to two of my posts that explained it in full.[/quote]It doesn't match with the text he is quoting from you... You see the confusion?

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='Sternhauser' timestamp='1294265869' post='2197149']
Does the Psalm pray for violence to be done to the evildoer? "Render a reward to the proud" seems to be a call for justice. It also simply lists what God will do, especially in verse 16 to 23. It doesn't call for God to "Render them their iniquity," it doesn't ask God to "destroy them," as the Priest of God did. Is praying for the destruction of evildoers what [i]Jesus[/i] taught his disciples to do? Call down fire from heaven to destroy people?

~Sternhauser



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Your really trying hard to mistranslate that chapter. Too bad. Justice for the unrepentant wicked with be death and damnation. Got a problem with that take it up with He will shall will it. Christ the Lion. I pray that His will be done. I pray every expect of His will be done by name that I can think of, there is no sin in praying for God's will and praying for the things He promises He will do. If there was as you are trying to make the case it would be sinful for God to carry out that will and those promises.

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='Mr.CatholicCat' timestamp='1294266170' post='2197153']
It doesn't match with the text he is quoting from you... You see the confusion?
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Do you really believe that he prays for the death of unrepentant sinners?

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='HisChildForever' timestamp='1294266129' post='2197152']
The last words of the Psalm read "the Lord our God will destroy them". The Lord will met out justice on unrepentant sinners, not the faithful.
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Agreed and I have stated that very thing, more than once. God will avenge, not the faithful.

Edited January 5, 2011 by KnightofChrist

[Mr.Cat]

[quote name='HisChildForever' timestamp='1294266284' post='2197155']Do you really believe that he prays for the death of unrepentant sinners?
[/quote][quote name='KnightofChrist' timestamp='1294266253' post='2197154']
Your really trying hard to mistranslate that chapter. Too bad. [b]Justice for the unrepentant wicked with be death and damnation.[/b] Got a problem with that take it up with He will shall will it. Christ the Lion. I pray that His will be done. I pray every expect of His will be done by name that I can think of, there is no sin in praying for God's will and praying for the things He promises He will do. If there was as you are trying to make the case it would be sinful for God to carry out that will and those promises.[/quote]In my humble perspective, yes... that appears to be what the evidence speaks.

Edited January 5, 2011 by Mr.CatholicCat

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='Mr.CatholicCat' timestamp='1294266346' post='2197157']
In my humble perspective, yes... that appears to be what the evidence speaks.
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He most certainly does not pray for the death of another human being. He is a faithful Catholic, not a Westboro lunatic.

[Sternhauser]

[quote name='HisChildForever' timestamp='1294266129' post='2197152']
The last words of the Psalm read "the Lord our God will destroy them". The Lord will met out justice on unrepentant sinners, not the faithful.
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Yes. The Lord will do it. My point is that the author is not asking God to slaughter them, or willing their slaughter by praying for it, he is merely affirming that God [i]will[/i] do it.

Why did Abraham waste so much time pleading for the inhabitants of Sodom? Why didn't he just say, "Smite them for their iniquities, O Lord!"

~Sternhauser

[Mr.Cat]

[quote name='HisChildForever' timestamp='1294266478' post='2197158']He most certainly does not pray for the death of another human being. He is a faithful Catholic, not a Westboro lunatic.[/quote]He just happens to pray for the justice and wrath of God, which happens to be the death of sinners, which he fully defends and endorses... And on the latter, I personally disagree.

Edited January 5, 2011 by Mr.CatholicCat

[Sternhauser]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' timestamp='1294266253' post='2197154']
Your really trying hard to mistranslate that chapter. Too bad. Justice for the unrepentant wicked with be death and damnation. Got a problem with that take it up with He will shall will it. Christ the Lion. I pray that His will be done. I pray every expect of His will be done by name that I can think of, there is no sin in praying for God's will and praying for the things He promises He will do. If there was as you are trying to make the case it would be sinful for God to carry out that will and those promises.
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Good. Then you do not desire the death of the sinner, but that he turn and be converted. Because that is what God wills. God does not will suffering, evils or deaths directly. But it certainly sounded as though that Priest of God willed them directly, in contradiction of God's will.

~Sternhauser

Edited January 5, 2011 by Sternhauser

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='Mr.CatholicCat' timestamp='1294266553' post='2197161']
He just happens to pray for the justice and wrath of God, which happens to be the death of sinners, which he fully defends and endorses... And on the latter, I personally disagree.
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He humbly submits himself to the fact that unrepentant sinners will be punished. He does not get on his knees and pray that God smite so-and-so.

[Mr.Cat]

[quote name='Sternhauser' timestamp='1294266663' post='2197164']Good. Then you do not desire the death of the sinner, but that he turn and be converted. Because that is what God wills. God does not will their deaths directly. But it certainly sounded as though that Priest of God willed their deaths directly. [/quote]I was left with that impression too...[quote name='HisChildForever' timestamp='1294266682' post='2197165']He humbly submits himself to the fact that unrepentant sinners will be punished. He does not get on his knees and pray that God smite so-and-so.[/quote]Then ask your friend to agree with your posts #42, #52, #58. Though it's sad that he needs your defense...

Edited January 5, 2011 by Mr.CatholicCat

[HisChildForever]

Personally, I pray that God shower His mercy on the world because He knows we desperately need it.

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='Sternhauser' timestamp='1294266518' post='2197160']
Yes. The Lord will do it. My point is that the author is not asking God to slaughter them, or willing their slaughter by praying for it, he is merely affirming that God [i]will[/i] do it.

Why did Abraham waste so much time pleading for the inhabitants of Sodom? Why didn't he just say, "Smite them for their iniquities, O Lord!"

~Sternhauser
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He is asking that God's will be done, he is asking that God bring down judgment upon the wicked, because get this it is God's will. I pray just as he does, and there is no sin in that. I also pray as Abraham did for Sodom. I do not pray "God please kill this or that sinner", I do however pray that God brings justice upon the wicked who do not repent. Because it is God's will for such people. I do not pray "God please kill this or that sinner. I instead pray for the day when God destroys and throws the wicked, Satan and all his angels into the pits of hell. That day when it comes will be a good and blessed day, and I pray for that day to come quickly. Because I pray for our Blessed Lord to come quickly, as does the scriptures, for it will mean that God will wipe away ever tear of the faithful, and all of the faithful will live with God in His presence forever and ever.

Edited January 5, 2011 by KnightofChrist

[Mr.Cat]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' timestamp='1294267185' post='2197171']He is asking that God's will be done, he is asking that God bring down judgment upon the wicked, because get this it is God's will. I pray just as he does, and there is no sin in that. I also pray as Abraham did for Sodom. I do not pray "God please kill this or that sinner", I do however pray that God brings justice upon the wicked who do not repent. Because it is God's will for such people. I do not pray "God please kill this or that sinner. I instead pray for the day when God destroys and throws the wicked, Satan and all his angels into the pits of hell. That day when it comes will be a good and blessed day, and I pray for that day to come quickly. Because I pray for our Blessed Lord to come quickly, as does the scriptures, for it will mean that God will wipe away ever tear of the faithful, and all of the faithful will live with God in His presence forever and ever.[/quote][quote name='Mr.CatholicCat' timestamp='1294266553' post='2197161']
He just happens to pray for the justice and wrath of God, which happens to be the death of sinners, which he fully defends and endorses...[/quote]Exactly...

Knight, can you agree with HCF in posts #42, #52, #58?

Edited January 5, 2011 by Mr.CatholicCat