Bomb Hits Egypt Church At New Year's Mass, 21 Dead

[Mr.Cat]

Gotta love knight, in a topic about senseless killing, his concern is that there should be more.

[AudreyGrace]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' timestamp='1294090848' post='2196249']

The American State Department had no statement at all.
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Interesting and unfortunately not surprising.

Lord, forgive them, for the know not what they are doing..

[Ed Normile]

[quote name='AudreyGrace' timestamp='1294115677' post='2196425']
Interesting and unfortunately not surprising.

Lord, forgive them, for the know not what they are doing..
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Acquiescence through inaction?

ed

[dominicansoul]

i think both sides of this have great points, but I have to say, I favor more Fr. De Souzas sentiments more than anything... I mean, if this were happening in our neck of the woods, I think we'd be pretty much up in arms about it...


I see nothing wrong with crying out to God to beg Him to act upon this injustice, this murder, and for protection for the flock, protection for the Church from anymore attacks.

[Ed Normile]

[quote name='Sternhauser' timestamp='1294089685' post='2196243']
I was being "ironical."

~Sternhauser
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Thats better than being "moronical"

ed

[Sternhauser]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' timestamp='1294110119' post='2196387']
Catholics may call for Justice and ask God to avenge the slain. As the Church does so in her prayers of the Divine Office.

"[b]THE Lord is the God to whom revenge belongeth: the God of revenge hath acted freely. 2 [color="#ff0000"]Lift up thyself, thou that judgest the earth: [u]render a reward to the proud.[/u][/color][/b] 3 How long shall sinners, O Lord: how long shall sinners glory? 4 Shall they utter, and speak iniquity: shall all speak who work injustice? 5 Thy people, O Lord, they have brought low: and they have afflicted thy inheritance. 6 They have slain the widow and the stranger: and they have murdered the fatherless. 7 And they have said: The Lord shall not see: neither shall the God of Jacob understand. 8 Understand, ye senseless among the people: and, you geniuses, be wise at last. 9 He that planted the ear, shall he not hear? or he that formed the eye, doth he not consider? 10 He that chastiseth nations, shall he not rebuke: he that teacheth man knowledge? 11 The Lord knoweth the thoughts of men, that they are vain. 12 Blessed is the man whom thou shalt instruct, O Lord: and shalt teach him out of thy law. 13 That thou mayst give him rest from the evil days: till a pit be dug for the wicked. 14 For the Lord will not cast off his people: neither will he forsake his own inheritance. 15 Until justice be turned into judgment: and they that are near it are all the upright in heart. 16 [b]Who shall rise up for me against the evildoers? or who shall stand with me against the workers of iniquity? 17 Unless the Lord had been my helper, my soul had almost dwelt in hell.[/b] 18 If I said: My foot is moved: thy mercy, O Lord, assisted me. 19 According to the multitude of my sorrows in my heart, thy comforts have given joy to my soul. 20 Doth the seat of iniquity stick to thee, who framest labour in commandment? 21 [b]They will hunt after the soul of the just, and will condemn innocent blood. 22 But the Lord is my refuge: and my God the help of my hope. 23 And he will render them their iniquity: and in their malice he will destroy them: the Lord our God will destroy them."[/b]
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God [i]will[/i] destroy the unrighteous, ultimately. No argument there. The question is, should we pray for their destruction? In other words, should Catholics not merely pray for an end to injustice, but for the death of the sinner, not that he should turn and be converted? Or should we at least pray that God has them break out in festering sores and/or make them bleed out of their eyes?

~Sternhauser

Edited January 5, 2011 by Sternhauser

[KnightofChrist]

I pray the Divine Office with the Church. She prays and asks God to bring wrath or Gods judgment upon the wicked (those who will not repent), giving them the reward they have earned, and that they should be destroyed. If you chose not to pray with us, that is your choice. There is nothing wrong with praying to God to to act upon injustice and to punish the wicked.

[Mr.Cat]

[quote][b][url="http://drbo.org/chapter/22029.htm"]Proverbs 29:1[/url][/b]
"The man that with a stiff neck despiseth him that reproveth him, shall suddenly be destroyed: and health shall not follow him."[/quote]Only if you could understand the irony in this topic...

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' timestamp='1294262092' post='2197090']
I pray the Divine Office with the Church. She prays and asks God to bring wrath or Gods judgment upon the wicked (those who will not repent), giving them the reward they have earned, and that they should be destroyed. If you chose not to pray with us, that is your choice. There is nothing wrong with praying to God to to act upon injustice and to punish the wicked.
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Not to mention the Psalms in the Bible, of the faithful calling out to God for His just judgment.

[Mr.Cat]

I think I should start praying to God to bring wrath down on the people who have abused me... Apparently that is the Christian thing to do... Forget mercy, forgiveness, and charity!

[Sternhauser]

You go ahead and pray for the deaths of evildoers. I'll pray that they stop doing evil, and that they see salvation.

~Sternhauser

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='Sternhauser' timestamp='1294263464' post='2197106']
You go ahead and pray for the deaths of evildoers. I'll pray that they stop doing evil, and that they see salvation.

~Sternhauser
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I definitely do not pray for the death of anyone.

[Mr.Cat]

[quote name='HisChildForever' timestamp='1294263516' post='2197108']I definitely do not pray for the death of anyone.[/quote]Perhaps you haven't read this topic all the way through then?

Not surprising at all...

Edited January 5, 2011 by Mr.CatholicCat

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='Sternhauser' timestamp='1294263464' post='2197106']
You go ahead and pray for the deaths of evildoers. I'll pray that they stop doing evil, and that they see salvation.

~Sternhauser
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I will pray God punishes the wicked, and that men who are repentant be saved. I pray God's will be done, which includes bringing wrath upon the heads of the unrepentant wicked, as well as saving those that repentant. Christ is a Lion not a kitten.

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='Mr.CatholicCat' timestamp='1294263586' post='2197109']
Perhaps you haven't read this topic all the way through then?

Not surprising at all...
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Are you telling me that I pray for the death of sinners?