Ads On Animal Abuse Are Killin' Me...

[Jaime]

[quote name='Semper Catholic' timestamp='1293665157' post='2195010']
Well I doubt anyone is pro-abortion. But that's a whole different subject.

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There are people that are pro-abortion but that is a whole different subject. The actual subject is that you requested Red to provide proof, she did that and you seem to have a problem owning up to the fact that she was right.

[Mr.Cat]

I am [b]very[/b] pro-humane treatment of animals and pro-responsibility for animals, moreover domesticated animals. I have a lot of respect for those persons who protest the treatment of animals, such as by industry.

I agree that human life is mistreated as well, also that its a bit more of a pressing issue, but I find it as a distraction to horrifying negligence and abuse to animals. Conversation goes like this in my head...

[indent][b]Person A[/b]: In the news they were talking about how this guy for years would starve and beat these animals, keeping their offspring in paper-bags, feeding them drugs for amusement, burning some of them alive putting it on YouTube, and using small little puppies and kittens for target practice. I'm just horrified!

[b]Person B[/b]: You liberal doof, you should be more concerned about all the abortions being performed in the world, how dare you distract from our cause! You evil abortionist!

[b]Person A[/b]: But I'm pro-life?

[b]Person B[/b]: You're just a pawn in their game![/indent]

But I agree, some of those commercials are overly depressive. That is also how I feel about some news services, "An evil dictator maliciously killed thousands of little children for blowing bubbles while playing on the beach. In other news the National Terror Watch has been decreased from level..." It's like, YOU CAN"T just so calmly tell me that and then go to something else!? AHHH!!! ([b]Drives off rode and explodes[/b])

[holly.o]

[quote name='Semper Catholic' timestamp='1293665157' post='2195010']
Remember to donate to ASPCA, not PETA. PETA contributes to the killing of thousands of animals every year.
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Just so people know - not many people do - the ASPCA is not connected to any SPCA that might be in your area (unless you're in New York City). SPCA's are independent and don't receive funding from a centralized organization. The ASPCA is located in New York City and serves mainly that area. If you're donating to the ASPCA and think you're giving money to the SPCA in your area, you're not.

[b]If you want to help animals in your community, donate locally[/b] - even though the ads for the ASPCA are tear-jerking, you can walk into your local shelter and find plenty of needy animals who don't have nationally-run TV commercials to speak for them.

I think most people who are pro-life wouldn't downplay abuse of animals. I've never had that type of conversation, Mr.CatholicCat, and I've worked with both pro-life and animal welfare organizations. Animal abuse is often connected or leads to abuse of humans or other crimes - I don't have stats for this, but I know of many cases first-hand. So even if people do believe people care more about animals than babies - which they often do - starting with respect for creatures that depend on us is fundamental to respecting one another, so it would be very important for a pro-life person to reject animal abuse.

However, to be honest, I think it really is more likely to find animal welfare advocates who are pro-choice... which sort of doesn't make sense from what I just wrote But you can convince yourself of anything if you want to deny the truth.

(edited to clarify)

Edited December 30, 2010 by holly.o

[Mr.Cat]

[quote name='holly.o' timestamp='1293668870' post='2195038'] I've never had that type of conversation, Mr.CatholicCat, and I've worked with both pro-life and animal welfare organizations. Animal abuse is often connected or leads to abuse of humans or other crimes - I don't have stats for this, but I know of many cases first-hand. Even if people do believe people care more about animals than babies - which they often do - starting with respect for creatures that depend on us is fundamental to respecting one another.[/quote]Shocking, I have... plenty of times with different "[i]Catholics[/i]", with different degrees of "[i]wow, did they really just say that?[/i]"

Most Catholics I assume are pro-humane treatment of animals, I would like to imagine most of humanity is when you get past any biases that may exist.

I frequently hear "[i]what about abortion[/i]" come up rather frequently in discussions on the abuse of animals among my religious friends. But I have to admit, I am glad you have a healthy and balanced perspective on the matter, also that you haven't had the misfortune to hear that kind of conversation.

Edited December 30, 2010 by Mr.CatholicCat

[AudreyGrace]

I believe that God put us in charge of the animals. This, in my opinion, includes caring for them and respecting them. However, since we were placed above the animals, we can also eat them for sustainability. So, I am not a vegetarian, but I dislike animal cruelty. However, it aggravates me when more attention is given to animal abuse than to human abuse, such as abortion, starvation, lack of clean water, etc.
This year at the march for life, I want to make a sign of a cartoon seal holding a sign that says "save the baby humans". Ideas?

[Sarah147]

lol To the point, it is.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='Mr.CatholicCat' timestamp='1293669429' post='2195040']
Shocking, I have... plenty of times with different "[i]Catholics[/i]", with different degrees of "[i]wow, did they really just say that?[/i]"

Most Catholics I assume are pro-humane treatment of animals, I would like to imagine most of humanity is when you get past any biases that may exist.

I frequently hear "[i]what about abortion[/i]" come up rather frequently in discussions on the abuse of animals among my religious friends. But I have to admit, I am glad you have a healthy and balanced perspective on the matter, also that you haven't had the misfortune to hear that kind of conversation.
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lol, w/e dude.

my experience: i remember watching one of those ads, and remember thinking, "oh, how awful!", and the thought sprang to my mind, "What do you think people do to my children in the name of choice?" it was completely involuntary, and I believe it was God.

[truthfinder]

Ugh, I watched one of these ads a couple days after I had put my dog down (yeah, I didn't want to but I don't want an argument right now.) Goodness, put a knife in my heart and twist.
I just generally hate these commercials, though; I'm pretty sure they are just trying to make everyone feel guilty.

[sixpence]

Please forgive me for cutting and pasting a Facebook note which I wrote two years ago..... probably in response to the same stupid commercial

"First off I'd like to say I'm all for preventing unnecessary harm of other organisms, but I cannot say that this goes as far as wanting to be a vegetarian because I feel bad for the animals. If things were as simple as my species vs another, mine always wins (however, I do understand that things are NOT that simple in reality since there is a thing called an ecosystem)

My first question to the animal rights people: you only seem to care about animals that are somewhat large and most of the time somewhat attractive. Why is that? Probably trillion/billions of animals are killed every day by humans and all people care about are dogs, cats, farm animals, and a couple endangered species. For that matter why not care about all forms of life? This just seems silly. It seems like a good analogy would be if we only cared about the well-being of good-looking humans.

My second question to the animal rights people: I just don't understand your motives, it could not possibly be that all animals have inherent value because if that were the case you would care about them regardless of size or intelligence. If that were the case you might have said something in defense of all the billions of insects that are killed to produce your vegetarian diet. Yes, organic food producers kill insects too. Organic farmers are aloud to use pesticides just as much as normal farmers. The only difference is that organic pesticides come from natural sources.
On a somewhat unrelated side note: I think people who eat meat but think hunting deer is cruel are VERY silly." December 2008

In other words.... I don't wanna hear anything about it unless you are a vegan who grows their own food!!!

Edited December 30, 2010 by sixpence

[Semper Catholic]

[quote name='sixpence' timestamp='1293684653' post='2195115']
Please forgive me for cutting and pasting a Facebook note which I wrote two years ago..... probably in response to the same stupid commercial

"First off I'd like to say I'm all for preventing unnecessary harm of other organisms, but I cannot say that this goes as far as wanting to be a vegetarian because I feel bad for the animals. If things were as simple as my species vs another, mine always wins (however, I do understand that things are NOT that simple in reality since there is a thing called an ecosystem)

My first question to the animal rights people: you only seem to care about animals that are somewhat large and most of the time somewhat attractive. Why is that? Probably trillion/billions of animals are killed every day by humans and all people care about are dogs, cats, farm animals, and a couple endangered species. For that matter why not care about all forms of life? This just seems silly. It seems like a good analogy would be if we only cared about the well-being of good-looking humans.

My second question to the animal rights people: I just don't understand your motives, it could not possibly be that all animals have inherent value because if that were the case you would care about them regardless of size or intelligence. If that were the case you might have said something in defense of all the billions of insects that are killed to produce your vegetarian diet. Yes, organic food producers kill insects too. Organic farmers are aloud to use pesticides just as much as normal farmers. The only difference is that organic pesticides come from natural sources.
On a somewhat unrelated side note: I think people who eat meat but think hunting deer is cruel are VERY silly." December 2008

In other words.... I don't wanna hear anything about it unless you are a vegan who grows their own food!!!
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This is pretty incoherent. With that said, there's certainly nothing wrong with supporting the humane treatment of animals. Just because you eat them doesn't make them hypocrites.

[Mercy me]

PETA and the HS of the US have little creditability for actually helping save animals. HS of the US should not be confused with the SPCA which is an amazing organization. PETA is particularly hypocritical in that they run one of the highest kill shelters in the country. I would encourage anyone to check the stats on their shelter in Norfolk VA.

The unfortunate thing with these 2 groups, PETA and the HS of the US is that they would have human population reduced to "save" animals. I find their groups more political than humanitarian.

[rkwright]

I will share one experience I had...

In the misdemeanor court I worked in we saw a lot of different crimes, though since it was misdemeanor none were that "bad". Family violence crimes were heart breaking, and most of the time really got to the prosecutors. We would typically go "harder" on those people - maybe up to 60 days in jail, one that was really bad got recommended to the max. While I was in that court we also had one animal abuse case. I remember when that defendant walked in there, the looks he got from the judge, even the other defendants. We recommended the max 360 days in jail. The judge looked at the man (who had questionable citizenship status) and said "You deserve every day of it, and I hope when ICE interviews you they deport you right away - we don't want scum like you in our country."

[fides' Jack]

I'm starting a new group: PETP; People for the Ethical Treatment of People. Anyone wanna join?

As group president, I hereby do officially declare that anyone who is pro-abortion and against animal cruelty is quacked. Not because animal cruelty is okay, but because the fact that they put animals above people makes them, well, I'll just let the reader finish this sentence properly.

[Semper Catholic]

[quote name='fides' Jack' timestamp='1293735426' post='2195242']
I'm starting a new group: PETP; People for the Ethical Treatment of People. Anyone wanna join?

As group president, I hereby do officially declare that anyone who is pro-abortion and against animal cruelty is quacked. Not because animal cruelty is okay, but because the fact that they put animals above people makes them, well, I'll just let the reader finish this sentence properly.
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It sounds like it is more wrapped up in political nonsense then actually helping, just like PETA

[Sarah147]

When I was a teen, many years ago, I was a contributor to PETA. This was before I knew all that was wrong with them. And I'll tell ya, constantly seeing the abuse pictures they send to members, I took on a view that people were awful, all with these hidden evil intentions, and I found it hard to be fully forgiving of people. PETA was just so critical of the abusers and their companies. And I found it emotionally hard to eat meats, as they made me feel like animals were gods and we couldn't do anything with them -- test, kill, eat, entertainment, keep as pets, zoos, etc. etc. They really seemed to be on a high horse, with their animal-gods, looking down their nose at people.

Thank God, I eventually broke with them as I couldn't take the above anymore. And I wasn't Catholic back them; thankfully everything is straightened out with me now. I really needed something in my life, and at the time I thought it was animal help, but now I know it is Jesus.

Edited December 30, 2010 by JoyfulLife