Nihil Obstat Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 [quote name='MarkKurallSchuenemann' timestamp='1295741648' post='2203201'] I said the above because I have some 'expertise' in this. Yes, Satan is scared right now - because God doesn't need 10 people who believe to do something against Satan. Remember, in old testament verses, God promised Israel that if one man stood against a 1000, he would send them to flight, and two men would utterly destroy 10,000 - because God would go out before them and fight their battles for them. So, in the new testament, the there has been a shift between the flesh to the spirit, so if one man could stand against a 1000 in battle in the natural, than one man with the holy spirit can face 1,000 demons in the spiritual because God is going forth and defeating those spirits for us. Because of this, Satan is running out of evil spirits he can send against us, because there is only a limited supply, and so he is acting in desperation right now, and rightfully so. He is the one who should be afraid, not us. We've been promised to tread upon serpents and scorpions through the name of Jesus - and we know that means - we have power over all evil spirits! Don't loose hope, God is winning this war for us. It is only a matter of time! [/quote] Satan's power was broken 2000 years ago at Calvary. He has lost already. There's no question of that. He won't 'run out' of demons though. We don't exactly understand how demons operate, but we do know that there are not less of them roaming the earth seeking the ruin of souls than there was in the 1500s. It is safe to assume that the number of angels and the number of demons is beyond our comprehension, I believe. One man can face as many demons as Satan can send, because God only allows what that man can already handle. If Satan were given free reign, every single person on this earth would be possessed. Satan is quite literally waiting at every moment, and he takes every single inch God allows him. We remain by the grace of God alone, by the power of the Church. When God allows a person to be possessed, Satan jumps at that opportunity. If God decides that the person has had enough, then the demon is blown away like a twig in front of a burst dam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkKurallSchuenemann Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1295742220' post='2203204'] Satan's power was broken 2000 years ago at Calvary. He has lost already. There's no question of that. He won't 'run out' of demons though. We don't exactly understand how demons operate, but we do know that there are not less of them roaming the earth seeking the ruin of souls than there was in the 1500s. It is safe to assume that the number of angels and the number of demons is beyond our comprehension, I believe.[/quote] I imprison every demon I fight in hell, and there is a limited number of them. I haven't read through all of the book of Enoch, but I do know that all demonic spirits are the spirits of the Nephilim, and there is only a limited number of them. [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1295742220' post='2203204'] One man can face as many demons as Satan can send, because God only allows what that man can already handle. If Satan were given free reign, every single person on this earth would be possessed. Satan is quite literally waiting at every moment, and he takes every single inch God allows him. We remain by the grace of God alone, by the power of the Church. When God allows a person to be possessed, Satan jumps at that opportunity. If God decides that the person has had enough, then the demon is blown away like a twig in front of a burst dam. [/quote] I have no disagreement on this thought - but God doesn't allow a person to be possessed. The person who gets possessed allows himself or herself to become possessed. I could discuss this if you guys will allow me too, so you can start to understand how demonic possession happens. Edited January 23, 2011 by MarkKurallSchuenemann Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 [quote name='MarkKurallSchuenemann' timestamp='1295742722' post='2203207'] I imprison every demon I fight in hell, and there is a limited number of them. I haven't read through all of the book of Enoch, but I do know that all demonic spirits are the spirits of the Nephilim. I have no disagreement on this thought - but God doesn't allow a person to be possessed. The person who gets possessed allows himself or herself to become possessed. I could discuss this if you guys will allow me too, so you can start to understand how demonic possession happens. [/quote] Every demon who is exorcised is imprisoned forever in Hell, but I believe it is correct to say that the number of demons on the earth is (for all intents and purposes) without limit. Demons in fact are also deathly afraid of the pains of hell, and will resist mightily to being cast out. They will hide, pretend they are gone, or sometimes leave a person to inhabit another, because they know that the torture of Hell is eternal. It is simply not true that God does not allow a person to be possessed. That would imply that Satan has power opposed to God. That is dualist thinking, and not acceptable. A person can participate in this paradigm through *rejection of* God's power, but the initiative and authority rests entirely with God. If God does not want a person to be subjected to Satan's torture, it is literally impossible for it to happen. We do have the free will to reject God's protection (e.g. through participation in a Black Mass), but the fact is that God allows (through His passive will) all demonic influence in this world. For the good of our souls, but that goes without saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vee Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 Would I watch this movie? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkKurallSchuenemann Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1295743003' post='2203209'] Every demon who is exorcised is imprisoned forever in Hell, but I believe it is correct to say that the number of demons on the earth is (for all intents and purposes) without limit. [/quote] Well, that must mean Satan is Omnipotent and Omniscient and Omnipresent - according to your words. Guess what - I would check yourself on that - because that is blasphemy. Satan is not equal to God, and Satan does have a limit and is limited because he is not God. [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1295743003' post='2203209'] Demons in fact are also deathly afraid of the pains of hell, and will resist mightily to being cast out. They will hide, pretend they are gone, or sometimes leave a person to inhabit another, because they know that the torture of Hell is eternal.[/quote] That's why I ensure all demons I fight are sent to Hell, and I imprison them. [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1295743003' post='2203209'] It is simply not true that God does not allow a person to be possessed. That would imply that Satan has power opposed to God. That is dualist thinking, and not acceptable. A person can participate in this paradigm through *rejection of* God's power, but the initiative and authority rests entirely with God. If God does not want a person to be subjected to Satan's torture, it is literally impossible for it to happen. We do have the free will to reject God's protection (e.g. through participation in a Black Mass), but the fact is that God allows (through His passive will) all demonic influence in this world. For the good of our souls, but that goes without saying. [/quote] Possession isn't what you guys actually think it is. Demonic possession isn't forcing the person to do things they can't stop themselves from doing, but when someone starts listening to a spirit other than God. That stuff makes great Hollywood movies - and I can certainly understand why most of you might think that is what demonic possession is because you get bombarded by that message way too much. This one set of scriptures ultimately show this. [quote]Mark 5:2-15[sup][/sup]And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit, [sup][/sup]Who had his dwelling among the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not with chains: [sup][/sup]Because that he had been often bound with fetters and chains, and the chains had been plucked asunder by him, and the fetters broken in pieces: neither could any man tame him. [sup][/sup]And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs, crying, and cutting himself with stones. [sup][/sup]But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him, [sup][/sup]And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not. [sup][/sup]For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit. [sup][/sup]And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many. [sup][/sup]And he besought him much that he would not send them away out of the country. [sup][/sup]Now there was there nigh unto the mountains a great herd of swine feeding. [sup][/sup]And all the devils besought him, saying, Send us into the swine, that we may enter into them. [sup][/sup]And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand;) and were choked in the sea. [sup][/sup]And they that fed the swine fled, and told it in the city, and in the country. And they went out to see what it was that was done. [sup][/sup]And they come to Jesus, and see him that was possessed with the devil, and had the legion, sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid. [/quote] The man ran to Jesus, the demons couldn't keep him back from running to Jesus. Demon's can't make a man do anything the man doesn't want to do. No matter what spirit inhabits a person, the spirit of the prophet is subject to the prophet! You took the wrong message from what I am saying - so I appologize for not being clear. Demons are inferor to man, they are not as powerful as us, especially believers. That is why in numerology - the Devil's number is 5, Man's is 6, and God's is 7! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sternhauser Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 [quote name='MarkKurallSchuenemann' timestamp='1295743961' post='2203215'] That's why I ensure all demons I fight are sent to Hell, and I imprison them. [/quote] They know Jesus, and they know Paul, but who are you? ~Sternhauser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkKurallSchuenemann Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 [quote name='Sternhauser' timestamp='1295744178' post='2203216'] They know Jesus, and they know Paul, but who are you? ~Sternhauser [/quote] I'm the one who vexes them every single day. Oh, yes, they know me by name too - and they know the one I chose to serve, Jesus Christ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sternhauser Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 (edited) [quote name='MarkKurallSchuenemann' timestamp='1295743961' post='2203215'] Well, that must mean Satan is Omnipotent and Omniscient and Omnipresent - according to your words. Guess what - I would check yourself on that - because that is blasphemy. Satan is not equal to God, and Satan does have a limit and is limited because he is not God.[/quote] That is not at all what he said. [quote]Possession isn't what you guys actually think it is. Demonic possession isn't forcing the person to do things they can't stop themselves from doing, but when someone starts listening to a spirit other than God. That stuff makes great Hollywood movies - and I can certainly understand why most of you might think that is what demonic possession is because you get bombarded by that message way too much. Demon's can't make a man do anything the man doesn't want to do. No matter what spirit inhabits a person, the spirit of the prophet is subject to the prophet! [/quote] Demons cannot make a man do anything, that is absolutely correct. But a demon can do things through the person's body, and the human can be unable to stop it. In the actions and words of the demon, the person does not necessarily sin. If you don't believe that, take it up with Fr. Gabriele Amorth and Fr. Malachi Martin. ~Sternhauser Edited January 23, 2011 by Sternhauser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sternhauser Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 [quote name='MarkKurallSchuenemann' timestamp='1295744289' post='2203217'] I'm the one who vexes them every single day. Oh, yes, they know me by name too - and they know the one I chose to serve, Jesus Christ! [/quote] And you bind them? How? ~Sternhauser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 [quote name='MarkKurallSchuenemann' timestamp='1295743961' post='2203215'] Well, that must mean Satan is Omnipotent and Omniscient and Omnipresent - according to your words. Guess what - I would check yourself on that - because that is blasphemy. Satan is not equal to God, and Satan does have a limit and is limited because he is not God. [/quote] This is a vile accusation and I will not stand for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkKurallSchuenemann Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1295744924' post='2203223'] This is a vile accusation and I will not stand for it. [/quote] Take that up with God if you didn't like what I said. [quote name='Sternhauser' timestamp='1295744529' post='2203218'] That is not at all what he said. Demons cannot make a man do anything, that is absolutely correct. But a demon can do things through the person's body, and the human can be unable to stop it. In the actions and words of the demon, the person does not necessarily sin. If you don't believe that, take it up with Fr. Gabriele Amorth and Fr. Malachi Martin. ~Sternhauser [/quote] I'd rather take up what demons can make men do with God and not a couple of religious people who disagree with him. [quote name='Sternhauser' timestamp='1295744733' post='2203222'] And you bind them? How? ~Sternhauser [/quote] As I have said many, many, many times - I will allow you to decide by what authority I interpret scripture, and cast devils out. Edited January 23, 2011 by MarkKurallSchuenemann Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 [quote name='MarkKurallSchuenemann' timestamp='1295745032' post='2203224'] Take that up with God if you didn't like what I said. [/quote] Take responsibility for yourself and speak no more lies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sternhauser Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 (edited) [quote name='MarkKurallSchuenemann' timestamp='1295745032' post='2203224'] I'd rather take up what demons can make men do with God and not a couple of religious people who disagree with him. [/quote] If I grab your arm and shake it around, did I just "make [i]you" [/i]shake your arm around, even though I physically overpowered you, yet did not overpower your will itself? If you knew about exorcisms, you'd know about Fr. Amorth and Fr. Martin. ~Sternhauser Edited January 23, 2011 by Sternhauser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 As the Book of Job teaches in the clearest of fashions, God allows Satan to have power over us, and Satan jumps gleefully at the opportunity to seek the ruin of our souls. He allows it for our own good, and as Job shows us, God will never allow more trials than we can handle. Satan is given power over our bodies, but never our souls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkKurallSchuenemann Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Sternhauser' timestamp='1295745256' post='2203226'] If I grab your arm and shake it around, did I just "make [i]you" [/i]shake your arm around, even though I physically overpowered you, yet did not overpower your will itself? If you knew about exorcisms, you'd know about Fr. Amorth and Fr. Martin. ~Sternhauser [/quote] That can't happen. It makes great Hollywood movies, but it isn't based on reality one bit. And no, I don't know about Fr. Amorth or Ft. Martin, but I do know about Jesus Christ! You can't be serious - because all anybody would need to do is come at someone with a knife, pretend to be trying to fight stabbing the person, and then stab them repeatedly and murder them and then say, I couldn't stop myself, I didn't want to do it, but something was forcing me to stab that person - and you will believe them that they were possessed by the devil and therefore not guilty of murder! Yeah - that's confusion buddy, and you are definitely confused on this subject! [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1295745083' post='2203225'] Take responsibility for yourself and speak no more lies. [/quote] I vehemently disagree with your theology in regards to how much power Satan actually has. I am taking responsibility by saying you are completely and utterly wrong, and your ideas actually glorify Satan as being equal to God - which he is not! You are blaspheming God by saying Satan is essentially limitless! Edited January 23, 2011 by MarkKurallSchuenemann Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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