Don't Ask Don't Tell

[CatherineM]

I know we've debated it to death whether it should or shouldn't be repealed, but I wonder what people think will happen now that it has been decided. For example, do you think it will be brought back up the next time a Republican is in the White House? What kind of issues do you think it will realistically cause in the ranks.

As a bit of extra fodder to chew on: Canada allowed gays to start serving openly almost 20 years ago. Two weeks ago they set new rules for transexuals in the military. Those who wish to change gender identity, even pre-op, or pre-hormonal treatment, or pre-anything except the desire to be a different sex, will be allowed to wear the uniform of their target gender. I suppose that means they will be allowed to move into the other barracks as well. The military paid for the first sex change surgery in 1998, 6 years after allowing gays. I wonder if the US military will do the same?

[southern california guy]

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The military paid for the first sex change surgery in 1998, 6 years after allowing gays. I wonder if the US military will do the same?
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I sure hope not! Of course we're supposed to be "compassionate" and "supportive" of "special" people -- like homosexuals...

Well I for one am not. I think the Canadians were nuts. But perhaps the pressure from all of the French Canadians (Not that there's anything wrong with them!) was just too much to overcome.

Didn't some French Canadian guy in Canada introduce AIDS to North America?

Edited December 23, 2010 by southern california guy

[Brother Adam]

I cannot say the extent of the effect it might have on the military, but I wonder, are there still technically any other enforceable moral crimes on the book like fornication or adultery in the military?

[MithLuin]

[b]SCG[/b], HIV was introduced to the US via Haiti, and before that from Africa, of course. That's what's been determined based on tracing the mutation of the virus by those studying the epidemic. I can't comment on the French Canadians, and really don't see how that is relevant even tangentially, sorry.

[Jesus_lol]

[quote name='southern california guy' timestamp='1293069893' post='2194052']
I sure hope not! Of course we're supposed to be "compassionate" and "supportive" of "special" people -- like homosexuals...

Well I for one am not. I think the Canadians were nuts. But perhaps the pressure from all of the French Canadians (Not that there's anything wrong with them!) was just too much to overcome.

Didn't some French Canadian guy in Canada introduce AIDS to North America?
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Are you freakin kidding me?

[Lil Red]

[quote name='southern california guy' timestamp='1293069893' post='2194052']
I sure hope not! Of course we're supposed to be "compassionate" and "supportive" of "special" people -- like homosexuals...

Well I for one am not. I think the Canadians were nuts. But perhaps the pressure from all of the French Canadians (Not that there's anything wrong with them!) was just too much to overcome.

Didn't some French Canadian guy in Canada introduce AIDS to North America?
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[Micah]

I can't keep a straight face. ^ This is actually a serious topic, but that post makes me burst out laughing. [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/paperbag.gif[/img]

[Semper Catholic]

Thanks a lot Canada for giving us AIDS.

@Brother Adam the UCMJ does have laws immoral behavior such as adultery, (and I believe sodomy) and other acts. They're very, very, rarely prosecuted but they're still on the books.

[rachael]

[quote name='southern california guy' timestamp='1293069893' post='2194052']
I sure hope not! Of course we're supposed to be "compassionate" and "supportive" of "special" people -- like homosexuals...

Well I for one am not. I think the Canadians were nuts. But perhaps the pressure from all of the French Canadians (Not that there's anything wrong with them!) was just too much to overcome.

Didn't some French Canadian guy in Canada introduce AIDS to North America?
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[MithLuin]

Well, SCG is likely referring to Gaëtan Dugas, who is called 'Patient Zero' in [i]The Band Played On[/i], a book/movie about AIDS in the US in the 1980s. While it is true that Dugas was an extremely promiscuous gay man who traveled alot (he was a flight attendant), he did not become sexually active until 1972 at the age of 19. Certainly, he contributed to the spread of AIDS in the gay community of NYC, LA and San Fran. But he did not single-handedly bring AIDS to the US. The US had already seen the death of its first confirmed AIDS victim in 1969 (Robert R. in St. Louis) and he had experienced symptoms since 1966.

HIV was first brought to the US from Haiti in 1969, according to current research. ([url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7068574.stm]link[/url])

Personally, I don't Blame Canada for this...nor do I blame Haiti (which has enough of its own problems, to be fair). One could just as soon blame the European colonialists in the early 20th century who exacerbated the situation which led to SIV morphing into HIV in the first place. Regardless - HIV is a terrible virus, and many innocent people have been infected and had their lives destroyed.

[Brother Adam]

You know, there would be no aids or sexually transmitted disease epidemic if we simply practiced chastity. It is not even that hard. Seriously, I believe you are acting like a coward if you freely choose to be promiscuous.

[thessalonian]

From CNN "There will be no special bathroom or housing facilities to accommodate homosexuals, " Are they nutz

[rachael]

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From CNN "There will be no special bathroom or housing facilities to accommodate homosexuals, " Are they nutz
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Why should there be?

[StMichael]

This is a bigger victory for gay groups. This door opens a ton of problems, including acknowledging partners, tax payers paying for housing, etc. for these partners and at some point the military being forced to acknowledge gay "marriage."

Our military is now opened to being used as a battle ground to progress a gay agenda.

Furthermore, what is extremely disturbing is that courts are now dictating what our military does or not, as opposed to Congress. It is getting so that we really are seeing no need for a Congress as they are being subverted at every turn, except to simply rubber stamp what the other branches say they want.

[Micah]

[quote name='rachael' timestamp='1293141751' post='2194165']
Why should there be?
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Male and female showers and separated because it's immodest, especially considering engaging in intercourse with another soldier is a nono. If the military accepts men in the military having sex with men, yet allows them to share showers with heterosexual men, they should be getting rid of gendered shower rooms altogether.

How do modest, moral, or married female soldiers feel showering with a bunch of hyped up guys who go without female companionship for long periods of time, probably pretty uncomfortable. The same sort of discomfort these men will feel showering beside an openly gay soldier beside them.

Edited December 23, 2010 by Micah