Which Is Christianity More Favourable To: Socialism, Libertarianism, O

[sixpence]

[quote name='Micah' timestamp='1291860120' post='2191692']
Response to Mith:

I think that was a well thought out response! But I do believe there is a disconnect between the theological ideal of liberty – where freedom is only expressed to do good – and the practical application, in whichevil will, no doubt, occur alongside good. Compare that to an authoritarian,conservative government which checks criminality while maintaining Christian freedom (ie. Checks evil, permits good).

I think you may be taking the sneaky way out by vouching for distributism, because that is most certainly not part of the Poll. I,however, think it's a great idea. Quasi-capitalism sort of, but more based on economic theories than political. It doesn't answer who, what, or how uniformcontrol of the means of production would be enforced.

Agreed, Christian society could and does exist in all political mediums, but if you had HAD to choose one, which would it be. I'm all for balance, but they can't all be equally conducive to Christian society. [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/saint.gif[/img]
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aren't u supposed to be studying???

[Winchester]

Clearly taking property from one person and giving it to another is Christian.

That political compass is idiotic--communist states rely upon authoritarianism. Leftism is authoritarianism and its greatest lie is that belief in individual liberty is a rejection of aid to the poor.

[MithLuin]

The left-right line refers to economics, so the idea is that if the economy is completely controlled it's to the left, and if it's completely free, it's to the right. The up/down is the same thing, but with social issues rather than economic. I ended up pretty much in the center, just a smidgen to the left, and slightly more libertarian than authoritarian.

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='rkwright' timestamp='1291844097' post='2191633']
Oh. No.

This thread is going to merge all the biggest debates into one thread.

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Muslims do not worship the God of Christianity.
Women who wear pant[i][/i]s will likely go to Hell.
The EF is superiour to the NO.
Protestants should be burned.
Humans evolved from monkeys.


Alright, dig in!

Edited December 9, 2010 by USAirwaysIHS

[rkwright]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' timestamp='1291927022' post='2191823']
Muslims do not worship the God of Christianity.
Women who wear pant[i][/i]s will likely go to Hell.
The EF is superiour to the NO.
Protestants should be burned.
Humans evolved from monkeys.


Alright, dig in!
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hmm... so you're asking me if Muslim women wearing pantaloons while attending the EF should be burned even if they believe they evolved from monkeys?

thats a good question indeed...

[Winchester]

[quote name='MithLuin' timestamp='1291919107' post='2191796']
The left-right line refers to economics, so the idea is that if the economy is completely controlled it's to the left, and if it's completely free, it's to the right. The up/down is the same thing, but with social issues rather than economic. I ended up pretty much in the center, just a smidgen to the left, and slightly more libertarian than authoritarian.
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It's a false distinction. Authoritarians use that distinction to beat those who don't believe the government has the right to take from one and give to another over the head with "lack of compassion" arguments. An authoritarian government will control the economy, though it might not provide social services (doubtful, since the left has figured out the best way to keep people weak is to give them stuff). Communist states are authoritarian by definition, as are fascist states.

[MIKolbe]

[quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1291866894' post='2191701']
Clearly taking property from one person and giving it to another is Christian.

That political compass is idiotic--communist states rely upon authoritarianism. Leftism is authoritarianism and its greatest lie is that belief in individual liberty is a rejection of aid to the poor.
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Stern accepts your surrender.

[Micah]

[quote name='sixpence' timestamp='1291866261' post='2191700']
aren't u supposed to be studying???
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haha . . . too late, finished my finals this morning. But I was supposed to be studying. [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/saint.gif[/img]

[color="#595959"][font="arial, verdana, sans-serif"][size="4"][quote]It's a false distinction. Authoritarians use that distinction to beat those who don't believe the government has the right to take from one and give to another over the head with "lack of compassion" arguments. An authoritarian government will control the economy, though it might not provide social services (doubtful, since the left has figured out the best way to keep people weak is to give them stuff). Communist states are authoritarian by definition, as are fascist states.[/quote][/size][/font][/color]
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[font="arial, verdana, sans-serif"][size="4"]I actually agree. I don't agree with calling it idiotic though. Let's keep it civil. Besides, charts can't be idiotic any more than they can be intelligent. And I'm noticing that the most cynical, politically outspoken people on the boards are refusing to render any sort of conclusion on the actual question. mhm[/size][/font][color="#595959"][font="arial, verdana, sans-serif"] [/font][/color][img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/popcorn2.gif[/img]

Edited December 9, 2010 by Micah

[Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam]

[quote name='Micah' timestamp='1291935335' post='2191851']
And I'm noticing that the most cynical, politically outspoken people on the boards are refusing to render any sort of conclusion on the actual question. mhm[color="#595959"][font="arial, verdana, sans-serif"] [/font][/color][img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/popcorn2.gif[/img]
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rightfully so.

Edited December 10, 2010 by Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam

[Selah]

[quote name='rkwright' timestamp='1291844097' post='2191633']
Oh. No.

This thread is going to merge all the biggest debates into one thread.
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Fun fun!

[Micah]

[quote name='Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam' timestamp='1291941956' post='2191863']
rightfully so.
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[font="Arial"][size="2"][font="sans-serif"]touché[/font][/size][/font]

Edited December 10, 2010 by Micah

[Winchester]

[quote name='Micah' timestamp='1291935335' post='2191851']
haha . . . too late, finished my finals this morning. But I was supposed to be studying. [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/saint.gif[/img]

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[color="#595959"][font="arial, verdana, sans-serif"] [/font][/color]
[font="arial, verdana, sans-serif"][size="4"]I actually agree. I don't agree with calling it idiotic though. Let's keep it civil. Besides, charts can't be idiotic any more than they can be intelligent. And I'm noticing that the most cynical, politically outspoken people on the boards are refusing to render any sort of conclusion on the actual question. mhm[/size][/font][color="#595959"][font="arial, verdana, sans-serif"] [/font][/color][img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/popcorn2.gif[/img]
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I understand its purpose, but it's ridiculous to separate authoritarianism from telling everyone how they will dispose of their property and how they will run their businesses.


Socialism as a government isn't Christian.

[Micah]

[quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1291947816' post='2191874']
I understand its purpose, but it's ridiculous to separate authoritarianism from telling everyone how they will dispose of their property and how they will run their businesses.


Socialism as a government isn't Christian.
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Mind if I prod a little bit? Assume that the authority was the collective itself. If it were Christian, what makes it any different than sharing amongst one another, like the apostles? And shouldn't a Christian acquiesce to his brother's needs?

[Winchester]

[quote name='Micah' timestamp='1291949125' post='2191877']
Mind if I prod a little bit? Assume that the authority was the collective itself. If it were Christian, what makes it any different than sharing amongst one another, like the apostles? And shouldn't a Christian acquiesce to his brother's needs?
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He should, but if he doesn't, do you have the right to make him?

[Micah]

[quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1291954930' post='2191897']
He should, but if he doesn't, do you have the right to make him?
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As Hamlet would say, aye that's the rub. That's why I consider socialism the worst of the three chosen. At least with conservative monarchism you don't have the insidious argument that forced distribution is for the "greatest good". A person can only do the right thing when given the choice not to.