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[dominicansoul]

and don't call me judgmental, when you have always harshly judged military men and our veterans, police, government officials, and anyone else who doesn't fit into your anarchist ideology...

[havok579257]

[quote name='Sternhauser' timestamp='1290997210' post='2189782']
Not judging anyone's heart, judgmental one. Go take a spin through the YouTube comments sometime. Many went based on some vague idea of "patriotism." Many others went because their lives were going nowhere, and joining the military gives anyone instant "near-hero" or full "hero" status in the eyes of the average American. 'Cause they're "Going overseas serving the country, protecting your freedoms." Which would be a nice emotional line to believe, except that it's just a line.

But when acquaintances personally, seriously and eagerly tell me they are going to join the military in order to separate bodies from souls, and "kill hadjis" and "kill ragheads," there's no heart-reading necessary. You just have to listen to what the little psychopaths are saying.

In this video, Iraq/Afghanistan veterans explain why they joined. And why they thought they were there. The reasons are not impressive, and most of them admit as much.
"The Ground Truth."
[media]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5188599301918606321#[/media]

Dominican, I would love to see a poll about how many people in the military think that waterboarding is moral. Half of Americans think it is moral. How many soldiers do you think it is moral? [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LPubUCJv58&feature=related"]Waterboarding. Watch it. It's tame compared to real applications. [/url]

~Sternhauser
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youtube comments? you do know almost no one is serious when commenting on youtube? paranoid much?

[Sternhauser]

[quote name='dominicansoul' timestamp='1290998698' post='2189789']
here's one guy who never killed anyone while in the military...

[url="http://www.vincentcapodanno.org/"]http://www.vincentcapodanno.org/[/url][/quote]

Everyone who joins the military is either killing or helping others to continue killing. Realistically, that goes for medics and Chaplains too, as they give physical and moral support to the people who kill. If they weren't killing or helping other people to kill, they'd be called "missionaries." As it is, they're called "soldiers."

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Stern, you make a lot of generalizations about whole groups of people...not every single person who serves in the military is filled with bloodlust...
not every single person who works for the government is out to control and take away people's rights, either...[/quote]

Did you bother to read what I wrote? In this entire thread? Because your saying such things leads me to believe that you haven't.

~Sternhauser

Edited November 29, 2010 by Sternhauser

[Sternhauser]

[quote name='havok579257' timestamp='1290999405' post='2189791']
youtube comments? you do know almost no one is serious when commenting on youtube? paranoid much?
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You're right. We can't take lustful or anti-Catholic comments on YouTube at face value, either. When someone says, "I'd like to #@$% that," clearly, he's not serious. You'd have to be "paranoid" to believe he was. So that obviously means we can't take sadistic or violence-loving comments at face value, either. The lechers and anti-Catholic bigots don't really believe what they're saying, and it is no reflection of society, so how could the people who post sadistic and violence-loving comments mean what [i]they[/i] say, or reflect what a broad segment of society believes?

~Sternhauser

Edited November 29, 2010 by Sternhauser

[Sternhauser]

[quote name='dominicansoul' timestamp='1290998799' post='2189790']
and don't call me judgmental, when you have always harshly judged military men and our veterans, police, government officials, and anyone else who doesn't fit into your anarchist ideology...
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Show me [i]one[/i] post where I have rashly judged the intention or motivation of any of the above groups. Just one. Then I will show you at least [i]five[/i] in which I have strictly said the majority have good intentions, but the outcome is evil, nevertheless.

~Sternhauser

Edited November 29, 2010 by Sternhauser

[dominicansoul]

[quote name='Sternhauser' timestamp='1291000216' post='2189795']
Show me [i]one[/i] post where I have rashly judged the intention or motivation of any of the above groups. Just one. Then I will show you at least [i]five[/i] in which I have strictly said the majority have good intentions, but the outcome is evil, nevertheless.

~Sternhauser
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well, one was actually a personal attack...which you obviously don't remember...


..it's okay, i don't wish to speak to you anymore about this matter...it kinda gives me a headache...

...i still like you lotz, i just don't agree with all this stuff you think

[Sternhauser]

[quote name='dominicansoul' timestamp='1291000879' post='2189797']
well, one was actually a personal attack...which you obviously don't remember..
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Thread, post number and date, if you remember it.

~Sternhauser

[dominicansoul]

no...i don't want to talk about it....

[Gregorius]

[quote name='Sternhauser' timestamp='1290999802' post='2189792']
Everyone who joins the military is either killing or helping others to continue killing. Realistically, that goes for medics and Chaplains too, as they give physical and moral support to the people who kill. If they weren't killing or helping other people to kill, they'd be called "missionaries." As it is, they're called "soldiers."
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I know it's slightly off topic, but clearly you've never met members of the military bands. Those guys are pretty much there for the music.

But then again, immoral acts do not justify moral ends. That is, lying to a person, criminal or not, is not justified by obtaining evidence needed to prevent that person from hurting anyone.

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='Sternhauser' timestamp='1290999802' post='2189792']
Did you bother to read what I wrote? In this entire thread?
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Just this thread? Isn't every post of yours primarily the same thing in different words?

Step one: Remark about youtube video/news article/current event in question.
Step two: Sarcastic comment about the Nanny State/Big Brother/Unjust Authority/Coercion by Force, ending with a coup de grace, bonus for [i]italics[/i].
Step three: Cynically prophetic, concise, and witty statement and/or allusion to Orwell, Hitler or Huxley.
Step four: ~Profit!!!

Just seems to be the trend I've noticed...

Edited November 29, 2010 by USAirwaysIHS

[havok579257]

[quote name='Sternhauser' timestamp='1290999951' post='2189794']
You're right. We can't take lustful or anti-Catholic comments on YouTube at face value, either. When someone says, "I'd like to #@$% that," clearly, he's not serious. You'd have to be "paranoid" to believe he was. So that obviously means we can't take sadistic or violence-loving comments at face value, either. The lechers and anti-Catholic bigots don't really believe what they're saying, and it is no reflection of society, so how could the people who post sadistic and violence-loving comments mean what [i]they[/i] say, or reflect what a broad segment of society believes?

~Sternhauser
[/quote]


they say those things because they think its cool to say or they are just trying to get a reactions. i doubt hardly any youtube comments are even thought about for more than a minute.

[Ed Normile]

[quote name='Sternhauser' timestamp='1290967455' post='2189681']
Ed, allow me to play devil's advocate (Average Joe) here. (Devils often protect the belief in lies merely by distorting or obscuring the truths that are [i]actually[/i] being spoken, by making inaccurate allegations about the point the other person is making. You know, kind of like Pope Benedict and condoms.) Like Mark Twain said, "A lie can travel around the world before the truth has a chance to get its boots on."

[sarcasm]Are you saying that Barack Obama[i] is going to start killing Jews[/i]? Are you saying Obama is another Hitler? A mass-murderer to be? That his Brownshirts are going to be running through the streets breaking windows? Are you saying that everything ever done by anyone who works for the State is pure evil, because he works for the State? Yeah. That's what I [i]thought.[/i] You're just another conspiracy-theory nutjob.[/sarcasm]


~Sternhauser
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Stern, well said, point taken, sarcasm recognized. A good example how words can be purposely taken out of context to diminish the authors meaning, or to outright libel it. Take for example a far more insidious example that you have displayed in your avatar, the famous slogan atop the gate to Auschwitz death camp Arbeit Macht Frei, which translates to " work liberates " or " work makes one free " which by many accounts was a cruel way to taunt the prisoners who were marched in there and "liberated" of all their valuables and then worked till they were weak and then put to death. Another fine example how words can be a tool of the devil. Perhaps the originator of the slogan placed atop the gate actually thought this was the case, but I understand the guards would tell the jewish prisoners the only way they would be free was through the chimney.

ed

Edited November 30, 2010 by Ed Normile