Shame Of The Irish

[Semper Catholic]

[quote]The [i]Chicago Tribune[/i] is reporting that [url="http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/wgntv-notre-dame-mum-on-death-nov21,0,5316812.story"]a 19-year-old woman died of an apparent suicide[/url] nine days after telling University of Notre Dame police that she had been sexually attacked by a football player in a dorm room. Elizabeth "Lizzy" Seeberg, a freshman at neighboring St. Mary's College who had battled depression, apparently overdosed on prescription medication in her own room during the third week of classes in September.

The player, meanwhile, has remained on the field. The [i]Tribune[/i] did not name the player because he has not been charged.

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http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2010/11/suicide-follows-alleged-notre-dame-attack/1

...this only weeks after the negligent death of a ND student while working for the football team.

When is the ND administration going to hold their Cash Cow accountable?

[Lilllabettt]

[quote name='Semper Catholic' timestamp='1290413795' post='2188546']
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2010/11/suicide-follows-alleged-notre-dame-attack/1

...this only weeks after the negligent death of a ND student while working for the football team.

When is the ND administration going to hold their Cash Cow accountable?
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what would you have them do? yell at them for having unmarried sex? because unless the guy has been charged that's all it comes down to, unfortunately. I know what the football player will say: " Freshman have trouble adjusting. She had depression. We had a little fun, she took it too serious, got her heart broke, The End." And if I remember your previous posts correctly, you don't have a problem with unwed sex so .... ? What would you have them do? What 'wrong' should they right here?

Me, I have a problem with unwed sex. I would tell football guy:" that is not acceptable behavior at a Catholic school, even if its "just sex." It doesn't matter if you're charged or not, because its still wrong, whether its consensual or not. So Good bye."

But that kind of punishment fits into my moral schema. I'm wondering how it would fit into yours.

[ardillacid]

[quote name='Semper Catholic' timestamp='1290413795' post='2188546']
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2010/11/suicide-follows-alleged-notre-dame-attack/1

...this only weeks after the negligent death of a ND student while working for the football team.

When is the ND administration going to hold their Cash Cow accountable?
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Athletes have always been held to a lower standard. Roethlisberger and Kobe Bryant are a couple prime examples. It's just their word against the woman's.

[quote name='Lilllabettt' timestamp='1290415616' post='2188549']

Me, I have a problem with unwed sex. I would tell football guy:" that is not acceptable behavior at a Catholic school, even if its "just sex." It doesn't matter if you're charged or not, because its still wrong, whether its consensual or not. So Good bye."

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...and you think that would stop someone from sexually assaulting you?

[Winchester]

[quote name='notardillacid' timestamp='1290434546' post='2188567']

...and you think that would stop someone from sexually assaulting you?
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A bullet in the head will stop a rapist.

[rachael]

[quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1290435224' post='2188568']
A bullet in the head will stop a rapist.
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Even then, the women will always be looked down upon by the media.

[Winchester]

[quote name='rachael' timestamp='1290436313' post='2188570']
Even then, the women will always be looked down upon by the media.
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Gee, whatever would stop the media?

[mcts]

[quote name='Semper Catholic' timestamp='1290413795' post='2188546']
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2010/11/suicide-follows-alleged-notre-dame-attack/1

...this only weeks after the negligent death of a ND student while working for the football team.

When is the ND administration going to hold their Cash Cow accountable?
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For what it's worth, Elizabeth actually died at least a month before Declan. I don't think that really makes a difference, though. I'm just picky.

Just so you know, the university, the football program, and head coach Brian Kelly himself are not going without consequence over Declan Sullivan's death. I go to school across the street, and students from my school are able to participate in everything but athletics over there, so I hear a lot of what's going on. There have been numerous calls for BK to resign and for the football program and the schools administration to be reevaluated. I, for one, would love to get one of the more conservative CSC priests in over there.

[Lilllabettt]

[quote name='notardillacid' timestamp='1290434546' post='2188567']

...and you think that would stop someone from sexually assaulting you?
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No. That's not the point. The point is, Semper is making like he's all offended and thinking that Notre Dame should DO something.

When in his view, nothing "punishable" has been proven to have happened here. What's proven is that a girl committed suicide after having pre-marital sex with a football player. That's it. Pre-marital sex. Semper has no problem with what's been proven. So I would think that he wouldn't demand any punishment for the person involved, nor would he be indignant at the failure to punish.

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='Lilllabettt' timestamp='1290446661' post='2188586']
What's proven is that a girl committed suicide after having pre-marital sex with a football player. That's it. Pre-marital sex.
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The young woman reported that she was "sexually attacked" in a dorm room. Then she committed suicide when nothing was done with her report.

But oh no, just premarital sex. Nothing to see here, move along.

[Lilllabettt]

Sigh. Does anybody read anymore?

[Semper Catholic]

What's been "proven" is unlikely what really happened. Ben Roethlisberger wasn't charged with sexual assault either. Truth is that if a young lady is intoxicated when an event occurs the possibility of a conviction is slim to none.

I just know that there aren't a whole lot of girls who kill themselves over having consensual sex. What should have happened is that the player should not have been on the team while the investigation was occurring. If he's cleared of all charges then let him back on. As it was, I doubt player X's loss would make a significant impact on a football that isn't even bowl eligible yet.

Further, ND football has always prided itself on going after student-athletes who are "more then just football players." Apparently this mantra has been pushed to the side in order for them to win more football games.

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='Lilllabettt' timestamp='1290457238' post='2188622']
Sigh. Does anybody read anymore?
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[quote]The story says Seeberg told dorm mates about the incident upon returning to St. Mary's campus and reported the incident to Notre Dame police at 5 p.m. the following day. It also says a law enforcement record shows she received assistance from Belles Against Violence, a St. Mary's program that helps victims of sex crimes. It also says she was interviewed by Notre Dame police about the alleged attack.[/quote]

Clearly it was consensual.

[Hinter dem Horizont]

[font=Georgia,]She was a freshman of " St. Mary's College who had battled depression". Who's to say that it was an attack that caused suicide. She was previously depressed and had sex with a random guy. Obviously that would affect her already battle with depression.[/font]

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='Hinter dem Horizont' timestamp='1290458081' post='2188626']
[font=Georgia,]She was a freshman of " St. Mary's College who had battled depression". Who's to say that it was an attack that caused suicide. She was previously depressed and had sex with a random guy. Obviously that would affect her already battle with depression.[/font]
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If she was just starting at university, her psychiatrist clearly thought her well enough to handle the stresses of college (both academic and social stresses). A significant trauma on top of clinical depression would be enough to send a person over the edge. Especially when she realized that her attacker would not be charged.

[Lilllabettt]

[quote name='HisChildForever' timestamp='1290457583' post='2188625']
Clearly it was consensual.
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I mean read what I wrote.

ah. nevermind.