Sojourner Posted April 22, 2004 Share Posted April 22, 2004 (edited) [quote]A sin is a sin because it offends the law of God, not because it fails to fully respect our brothers and sisters. This is a significant difference. [/quote] Of course you are right. I fully agree. By this statement, I was simply pointing out that there are reasons for such laws. [quote]Additionally, are you saying the comfort is an excuse for immodesty? A tee shirt and long shorts are so much more uncomfortable than short shorts and a sports bra? Think carefully about this. Why do people choose the least modest option possible and then excuse it by comfort? Many sins would be more comfortable for me than holiness, am I free to indulge? Again, significant differences.[/quote] No, comfort is not an excuse for immodesty. I was merely offering it as an alternative, or perhaps additional, reason, for the style of dress we were discussing. (Personally, I choose NOT to exercise in short shorts and a sports bra out of vanity, as that's not the most flattering look for me -- coupled of course with a desire to be modest). Edited April 22, 2004 by Sojourner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PedroX Posted April 22, 2004 Share Posted April 22, 2004 [quote](Personally, I choose NOT to exercise in short shorts and a sports bra out of vanity, as that's not the most flattering look for me -- coupled of course with a desire to be modest). [/quote] Me too. Also why I mow the grass in long pants! peace... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 22, 2004 Share Posted April 22, 2004 (edited) [quote name='NewReformation' date='Apr 22 2004, 02:33 PM'] Yeah....Riiiiiiiight. If a normal, red-blooded, healthy, heterosexual male sees a hot girl in a bikini, his first thought is not going to be "Oh look, at the pretty sand." His eyes will automatically go to some part of her anatomy. Whether it's on the beach or not. [/quote] I'm speaking from my own personal experience. Does that mean I'm not normal or healthy? I mean, I do notice body parts regardless, but on the beach, that's as far as it goes for me, as, like I said earlier, I subconsciously have my defenses up. Am I abnormal? Am I unhealthy? Hmmmmm? Edited April 22, 2004 by Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marielapin Posted April 22, 2004 Share Posted April 22, 2004 [quote name='IcePrincessKRS' date='Apr 22 2004, 02:00 PM'] I agree that we all must adhere to modesty, and that modesty and temptation goes both ways.... It seems to me, though, that the "rules" are far more strict for women. I'm not trying to harp here, but I've been thinking about things that I wear and that my husband wears and how we react to one another. I can wear jeans or shorts and a t-shirt or tank top on a daily basis as I go about my daily duties and its all fine and dandy, but if I put on a skirt (I don't usually wear skirts that come above the knee, I think I own 1, most of my skirts range from ankle to just below the knee) and a shirt (sweater, blouse, or whatever) and that serves as a more immediate "turn on." Matt will wear his cargo pants and a t-shirt and I think he's the handsomest, hottest guy I ever did see. I really think that a woman in a long dress can be more sexy and provacative than a girl in shorts and a t-shirt (and I don't mean girls trying to be sexy in skimpy shorts and t-shirts that are practically not there). Some people might think that my shorts are too short because they don't reach my fingertips, but I have looooong arms, they just don't make shorts like that, and if they do I can't find them--I certainly don't shop for the skimpiest shorts I can find (and even if I did I'm too cheap to pay $30 for that little ammount of fabric). I once had a guy tell me that girls shouldn't wear pants because it outlines their figures more and can be tempting for guys, but in my experience guys have been turned on more when I wear skirts (I usually only get comments or looks when I'm in a skirt). And frankly, for me at any rate, I think that whole pants rule goes just the same for men---I don't think men should wear skirts at all :haha:, but I definately think that a nice pair of slacks or jeans (as opposed to his grimy, holes in the knees, kick around the house/yard pants he likes to wear) on my husband is a turn on. My point is, yes, we all MUST do our best to dress modestly, but no matter what we wear SOMEONE is going to get lusty over it. [/quote] Ditto I usually don't wear shorts though, mostly because I find them uncomfortable unless I can find some that fit right. I also have the really long arms problem too, plus I have long legs and a long torso! Its hard to find well fitting shorts that have a 7 inch inseam or longer (and aren't men's shorts), so I don't have many pairs and I mostly just stick to blue jeans, even in the hot sun of Florida. Unfortunately there are just no hard and fast rules as to what is acceptable for women to wear that takes into account every situation (with only a few exceptions - I will say daisy dukes, short skirts, painted on clothing, clothing that allows others to see any part (skin) of the breasts or rear end and a string bikini is always unacceptable unless it is for her husband only). I am a huge proponent of female modesty though. A well trained conscience and eye will allow the folks to make the right clothing choices. Guys, you have it easy as far as clothing is concerned. No matter what type of clothes we wear, we are in danger of showing off some part of our body, unless we wear a long potato sack. And as you can tell, this is all VERY FRUSTRATING for women who try their hardest to be modest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azriel Posted April 22, 2004 Share Posted April 22, 2004 We can solve all this talk about women's immodesty quite quickly ... Get pregnant! Then when you have stretch marks you won't want to show anything! (Please, folks, I kid. That's what I do!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PedroX Posted April 22, 2004 Share Posted April 22, 2004 Best lines yet [quote]No matter what type of clothes we wear, we are in danger of showing off some part of our body, unless we wear a long potato sack.[/quote] [quote]We can solve all this talk about women's immodesty quite quickly ... Get pregnant! Then when you have stretch marks you won't want to show anything! (Please, folks, I kid. That's what I do!) [/quote] peace... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marielapin Posted April 22, 2004 Share Posted April 22, 2004 [quote name='Azriel' date='Apr 22 2004, 03:16 PM'] We can solve all this talk about women's immodesty quite quickly ... Get pregnant! Then when you have stretch marks you won't want to show anything! (Please, folks, I kid. That's what I do!) [/quote] Azzie, you crack me up! I've found that getting pregnant though throws another cog into the modesty thing...you have ahem...larger areas to cover than before, and have to look even harder for modest clothing. In the maternity store I could hardly find any shirts that did not show major cleavage. Why do they cut maternity shirts that way? I was getting majorly frustrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 22, 2004 Share Posted April 22, 2004 [quote name='popestpiusx' date='Apr 21 2004, 12:12 PM'] Desensitization does NOT justify anything. In fact, it is part of the problem. The fact that so many people have no issue with this is proof of how bad our society is, and NOT a justification for continued immodesty. [/quote] NO ONE has said that desensitization justifies anything! If people are desensitized, then that may make it harder for them to be tempted, but not one person on here has said that would make it ok! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CreepyCrawler Posted April 22, 2004 Share Posted April 22, 2004 don't we all agree that: men and women need to guard their eyes men and women should dress modestly men and women should not wear bikinis in public what are we still debating about? :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted April 22, 2004 Share Posted April 22, 2004 not much... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrincessKRS Posted April 22, 2004 Share Posted April 22, 2004 Stretch marks and larger areas.... don't get me started!!!! UGH! Well, I wouldn't wear clothes that showed off my stretch marks anyhow, but for the other thing..... Thats the one body change I really really despize. You men have no idea how lucky you are. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrie Posted April 22, 2004 Share Posted April 22, 2004 they've got no idea Ice, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CreepyCrawler Posted April 22, 2004 Share Posted April 22, 2004 well, men can never experience the joy of carrying and then giving birth to a child -- it's a tradeoff for the stretch marks. I think guys get stretch marks, too, but they don't wear shirts that show their mid-driffs. thank goodness! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Conquers Posted April 23, 2004 Share Posted April 23, 2004 [quote]but they don't wear shirts that show their mid-driffs. thank goodness![/quote] you got that right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azriel Posted April 23, 2004 Share Posted April 23, 2004 I knew my girls would understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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