the_rev Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 If you were to do a survey among both Catholics and non-practicing Catholics, what key social issues would you survey them on to see if their positions lined up with the Church. I have: Abortion Homosexual Marriage Euthanasia Birth Control Sex Before Marriage Co-habitation Are there other key issues that I have neglected? I thank you for your advice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuscipeMeDomine Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 [quote name='the_rev' timestamp='1290348717' post='2188339'] If you were to do a survey among both Catholics and non-practicing Catholics, what key social issues would you survey them on to see if their positions lined up with the Church. I have: Abortion Homosexual Marriage Euthanasia Birth Control Sex Before Marriage Co-habitation Are there other key issues that I have neglected? I thank you for your advice! [/quote] You might add: In vitro fertilization Capital punishment Immigration War Unionization Globalization Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sternhauser Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 (edited) [quote name='the_rev' timestamp='1290348717' post='2188339'] If you were to do a survey among both Catholics and non-practicing Catholics, what key social issues would you survey them on to see if their positions lined up with the Church. Homosexual Marriage [/quote] There's no such thing. If you're going to use incorrect euphemisms that Mammon made up, you might as well use the term "safe abortion," too. When it comes to any voluntary contract between two (or more) people about certain property rights, I won't use violence, including proxy of the State, to stop them. While I don't approve of sodomy, I won't use violence against sodomites. I'd add "torture" (which includes waterboarding, playing loud music, sleep deprivation, and shackling in one position, all of which the United State and its dutiful "just doing my job" soldiers use.) ~Sternhauser Edited November 21, 2010 by Sternhauser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIKolbe Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 Healthcare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sternhauser Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 [quote name='MIkolbe' timestamp='1290356603' post='2188358'] Healthcare [/quote] I'm agin' it. ~Sternhauser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggyie Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 -Protecting the environment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 What do they think we should do about pro-choice politicians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIKolbe Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 make them pro-choice former politicians Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destroyer of Heretics Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 [quote name='the_rev' timestamp='1290348717' post='2188339'] If you were to do a survey among both Catholics and non-practicing Catholics, what key social issues would you survey them on to see if their positions lined up with the Church. I have: Abortion Homosexual Marriage Euthanasia Birth Control Sex Before Marriage Co-habitation Are there other key issues that I have neglected? I thank you for your advice! [/quote] [size="3"]Housing Care of the elderly Wages Pensions Housing benefits Childcare Adoption - things like that, to which OPs have also referred. [/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilllabettt Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 [quote name='the_rev' timestamp='1290348717' post='2188339'] If you were to do a survey among both Catholics and non-practicing Catholics, what key social issues would you survey them on to see if their positions lined up with the Church. I have: Abortion Homosexual Marriage Euthanasia Birth Control Sex Before Marriage Co-habitation Are there other key issues that I have neglected? I thank you for your advice! [/quote] your survey will be tricky. because it depends what you mean when you say "line up" with the Church. like for abortion: its possible to not support the legal strategy as the best way of getting rid of it but still be "in line" or the death penalty - its possible to support a more liberal application and still be "in line" ... but out of line with the current prudential judgment of the USCCB. so you have to ask yourself what you mean by "lining up" with Church teaching means. Is it the broader definition - with Church doctrine ... or the narrower definition ... with the judgment of the USCCB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 [quote name='Lilllabettt' timestamp='1290413601' post='2188545'] like for abortion: its possible to not support the legal strategy as the best way of getting rid of it but still be "in line" [/quote] Could you clarify? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilllabettt Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 [quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1290519371' post='2188771'] Could you clarify? [/quote] I know very devout Catholics who feel the pro-life movement's current strategy of pressing for legal reform is an ineffective waste of time when it comes to stopping abortion. Some I know feel the focus should be on changing the cultural reaction to the idea of abortion, and then legal protection will follow that. For example, with cigarettes. Smoking is considered socially unacceptable nowadays, and that has reduced the number of smokers far more than starting with prohibition would have. Meanwhile, restrictions on cigarettes have grown, so much so that in some places it is almost impossible to buy and use cigarettes. Perhaps one day cigarettes will be banned by the FDA as harmful to consumers. But the cultural campaign has been the more effective route than the legal one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 [quote name='Lilllabettt' timestamp='1290519978' post='2188775'] I know very devout Catholics who feel the pro-life movement's current strategy of pressing for legal reform is an ineffective waste of time when it comes to stopping abortion. Some I know feel the focus should be on changing the cultural reaction to the idea of abortion, and then legal protection will follow that. For example, with cigarettes. Smoking is considered socially unacceptable nowadays, and that has reduced the number of smokers far more than starting with prohibition would have. Meanwhile, restrictions on cigarettes have grown, so much so that in some places it is almost impossible to buy and use cigarettes. Perhaps one day cigarettes will be banned by the FDA as harmful to consumers. But the cultural campaign has been the more effective route than the legal one. [/quote] Either approach will work, but the Church is very clear that law must protect the unborn. One may support certain strategies, but a Catholic must call for legal change. The cigarette issue serves to illustrate the violation of private property by an authoritarian government. Sternhauser attack in 3...2... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destroyer of Heretics Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 [quote name='the_rev' timestamp='1290348717' post='2188339'] If you were to do a survey among both Catholics and non-practicing Catholics, what key social issues would you survey them on to see if their positions lined up with the Church. I have: Abortion Homosexual Marriage Euthanasia Birth Control Sex Before Marriage Co-habitation Are there other key issues that I have neglected? I thank you for your advice! [/quote] ##[font="Verdana"][size="4"] I forgot to mention: Communism. Communism is a "satanic plague" which must be opposed, most of all when it adopts a friendly demeanour. To co-operate with it is an error of the worst kind, because the works of Christ cannot be done by the means congenial to Beelzebub. It is not dead, lor even sleeping - merely less powerful than it was. But it is as murderous & deceitful & corrupting as it ever was [/size][/font] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sternhauser Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 (edited) [quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1290520788' post='2188776'] Either approach will work, but the Church is very clear that law must protect the unborn. One may support certain strategies, but a Catholic must call for legal change. The cigarette issue serves to illustrate the violation of private property by an authoritarian government. Sternhauser attack in 3...2... [/quote] Grrrr. Sternhauser BITE! Nothing wrong with laws that protect unborn children, though I may disagree with the process by which those laws are enacted. But those laws won't get passed until there is a profound cultural shift, as Lillabett pointed out, which will ultimately make those laws pretty unnecessary, anyway. When people are governed by God, they have no need to be governed by man. 100 years ago, desk clerks wouldn't even check a man and a woman into a into a hotel unless they could show they were married. The statute prohibiting people from doing so wasn't even necessary, as the cultural prohibitions were so strong. Shunning should be brought back. It's hard to be a criminal where people know who you are and refuse to do any business with you. Additionally, the term "ne'er do well" should be brought back, and frequently used by all. ~Sternhauser Edited November 23, 2010 by Sternhauser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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