N/A Gone Posted November 27, 2010 Share Posted November 27, 2010 I am waiting for him to make a formal clarification. Although I agree this is misunderstood for the benefit of a pre-conceived view, the counter is simple to assume it is a bad understanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kafka Posted November 27, 2010 Share Posted November 27, 2010 (edited) [quote name='Revprodeji' timestamp='1290840976' post='2189522'] I am waiting for him to make a formal clarification. Although I agree this is misunderstood for the benefit of a pre-conceived view, the counter is simple to assume it is a bad understanding. [/quote] a bad understanding on whose part? the Pope's? I dont understand the last clause of your remark. Edited November 27, 2010 by kafka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sternhauser Posted November 27, 2010 Share Posted November 27, 2010 The Pope needs a spin doctor to get the [i]truth[/i] to be accepted. Shucks. It's all so sad. ~Sternhauser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N/A Gone Posted November 28, 2010 Share Posted November 28, 2010 [quote name='kafka' timestamp='1290842523' post='2189526'] a bad understanding on whose part? the Pope's? I dont understand the last clause of your remark. [/quote] If someone wants to believe the Pope is saying Condoms are ok, then they would say that we are just misunderstanding the quote. Although I believe that the Pope is giving an example of moral awakening in an extreme situation and not promoting Condoms, someone could easily say I am misunderstanding with my bias against contraceptives. Battles over interpretation are always a mess (says the person with an undergrad as a protestant pastor). I am surprised with as much attention this quote has had that Pope Benedict has not just issued a press release explaining the scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted November 28, 2010 Share Posted November 28, 2010 It would have been great if Jesus would have issued a press release in light of John 6 66, but he did not feel the need to. I understand what you are saying, but I really do not see how the passage is open to such an interpretation. Simply reading it lends itself to only one reasonable interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kafka Posted November 28, 2010 Share Posted November 28, 2010 (edited) [quote name='Revprodeji' timestamp='1290975171' post='2189705'] If someone wants to believe the Pope is saying Condoms are ok, then they would say that we are just misunderstanding the quote. Although I believe that the Pope is giving an example of moral awakening in an extreme situation and not promoting Condoms, someone could easily say I am misunderstanding with my bias against contraceptives. Battles over interpretation are always a mess (says the person with an undergrad as a protestant pastor). I am surprised with as much attention this quote has had that Pope Benedict has not just issued a press release explaining the scenario. [/quote] o.k. I see what you are saying. There was a clarification in the Vatican's newspaper on Wednesday. That is probably as close to formal as we will get. What might happen in the future would be a formal Magisterial teaching by the Pope or a Pope's successor pending on how far this all goes. What is bizarre is that the origin of the whole controversy was from the very same newspaper which made the clarification on Wednesday, the L'Observatore Romano. Edited November 28, 2010 by kafka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReXteryalizerUri Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 [font="Arial Black"][size="2"] Millions of eggs & SPERM both are dying in our bodies every second MALES are RE-CREATING more sperm[/size][/font] [font="Arial Black"][size="2"]MORE ARE dying EVERY second OF our LIVES....[/size][/font] [font="Arial Black"][size="2"]If ROME & CATHOLICs were really interested IN SAVING the lives of these UN NUMERABLE amount of eggs & SPERM [/size][/font] [font="Arial Black"][size="2"]They would be following U and I around trying to gather the sperm & eggs to keep them in a safe warm place to life for the few moments they live..[/size][/font] [font="Arial Black"][size="2"]But Catholics are not REALLY interested in saving anyone..[/size][/font] [font="Arial Black"][size="2"]THEY vote the SAME pro ABORTION officials into office every year..[/size][/font] [font="Arial Black"][size="2"] gathering the sperm & eggs to keep them in a safe warm place to liVe for the few moments they live..[/size][/font] [font="Arial Black"][size="2"]Woukle be saving the SEED they claim is life..[/size][/font] [font="Arial Black"][size="2"]ITS A GERM, a SEED.... no breath ,, no heart, no blood.....no genetic growth will ever COME from an unfertiled seed & egg..[/size][/font] [font="Arial Black"][size="2"]God breathed the breath OF LIFE into Adam & he became a living SOUL.....alive...life[/size][/font] [font="Arial Black"][size="2"]UNTILL the fetus has begun to gestate it is just an empty egg that MIGHT make it or MIGHT not...[/size][/font] [font="Arial Black"][size="2"]Partial birth although THAT gets to the realm of evil & after the Gestation begins.[/size][/font] [font="Arial Black"][size="2"]It is a matter of WHY is the baby being killed .... is the mother in danger....the child is deformed beyond any comfortable or sustainable life at all ? [/size][/font] [font="Arial Black"][size="2"]What is in your heart.....FOOLISHNESS & FAKE are the hearts of these caTholics.... [/size][/font] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIKolbe Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 well at least it's not spam.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 [quote name='ReXteryalizerUri' timestamp='1296379441' post='2206656'] [font="Arial Black"][size="2"] Millions of eggs & SPERM both are dying in our bodies every second MALES are RE-CREATING more sperm[/size][/font] [font="Arial Black"][size="2"]MORE ARE dying EVERY second OF our LIVES....[/size][/font] [font="Arial Black"][size="2"]If ROME & CATHOLICs were really interested IN SAVING the lives of these UN NUMERABLE amount of eggs & SPERM [/size][/font] [font="Arial Black"][size="2"]They would be following U and I around trying to gather the sperm & eggs to keep them in a safe warm place to life for the few moments they live..[/size][/font] [font="Arial Black"][size="2"]But Catholics are not REALLY interested in saving anyone..[/size][/font] [font="Arial Black"][size="2"]THEY vote the SAME pro ABORTION officials into office every year..[/size][/font] [font="Arial Black"][size="2"] gathering the sperm & eggs to keep them in a safe warm place to liVe for the few moments they live..[/size][/font] [font="Arial Black"][size="2"]Woukle be saving the SEED they claim is life..[/size][/font] [font="Arial Black"][size="2"]ITS A GERM, a SEED.... no breath ,, no heart, no blood.....no genetic growth will ever COME from an unfertiled seed & egg..[/size][/font] [font="Arial Black"][size="2"]God breathed the breath OF LIFE into Adam & he became a living SOUL.....alive...life[/size][/font] [font="Arial Black"][size="2"]UNTILL the fetus has begun to gestate it is just an empty egg that MIGHT make it or MIGHT not...[/size][/font] [font="Arial Black"][size="2"]Partial birth although THAT gets to the realm of evil & after the Gestation begins.[/size][/font] [font="Arial Black"][size="2"]It is a matter of WHY is the baby being killed .... is the mother in danger....the child is deformed beyond any comfortable or sustainable life at all ? [/size][/font] [font="Arial Black"][size="2"]What is in your heart.....FOOLISHNESS & FAKE are the hearts of these caTholics.... [/size][/font] [/quote] Every sperm is sacred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MithLuin Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Women do not have millions of eggs, and they do not die on a daily basis. Mixing up eggs and sperm is never wise. And...that's as much as I'm going to say about that comment! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 [spoiler] [spoiler] No human being exists until the sperm has fertilized the egg. Up until that point all that exists is partial genetic information of the father, and partial genetic information of the mother. No human beings besides them. That's what makes conception so miraculous.[/spoiler][/spoiler] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 [quote name='ReXteryalizerUri' timestamp='1296379441' post='2206656'] [font="Arial Black"][size="2"] Millions of eggs & SPERM both are dying in our bodies every second MALES are RE-CREATING more sperm[/size][/font] [font="Arial Black"][size="2"]MORE ARE dying EVERY second OF our LIVES....[/size][/font] [font="Arial Black"][size="2"]If ROME & CATHOLICs were really interested IN SAVING the lives of these UN NUMERABLE amount of eggs & SPERM [/size][/font] [font="Arial Black"][size="2"]They would be following U and I around trying to gather the sperm & eggs to keep them in a safe warm place to life for the few moments they live..[/size][/font] [font="Arial Black"][size="2"]But Catholics are not REALLY interested in saving anyone..[/size][/font] [font="Arial Black"][size="2"]THEY vote the SAME pro ABORTION officials into office every year..[/size][/font] [font="Arial Black"][size="2"] gathering the sperm & eggs to keep them in a safe warm place to liVe for the few moments they live..[/size][/font] [font="Arial Black"][size="2"]Woukle be saving the SEED they claim is life..[/size][/font] [font="Arial Black"][size="2"]ITS A GERM, a SEED.... no breath ,, no heart, no blood.....no genetic growth will ever COME from an unfertiled seed & egg..[/size][/font] [font="Arial Black"][size="2"]God breathed the breath OF LIFE into Adam & he became a living SOUL.....alive...life[/size][/font] [font="Arial Black"][size="2"]UNTILL the fetus has begun to gestate it is just an empty egg that MIGHT make it or MIGHT not...[/size][/font] [font="Arial Black"][size="2"]Partial birth although THAT gets to the realm of evil & after the Gestation begins.[/size][/font] [font="Arial Black"][size="2"]It is a matter of WHY is the baby being killed .... is the mother in danger....the child is deformed beyond any comfortable or sustainable life at all ? [/size][/font] [font="Arial Black"][size="2"]What is in your heart.....FOOLISHNESS & FAKE are the hearts of these caTholics.... [/size][/font] [/quote] We are not and never have been interested in saving individual sperm or eggs, only in saving the children that are the direct result of that union. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 [quote name='MithLuin' timestamp='1296402906' post='2206698'] Women do not have millions of eggs, and they do not die on a daily basis. Mixing up eggs and sperm is never wise. And...that's as much as I'm going to say about that comment! [/quote] forrest gump? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 [quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1296415605' post='2206738'] forrest gump? [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AudreyGrace Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 (edited) [quote name='ReXteryalizerUri' timestamp='1296379441' post='2206656'] [font="Arial Black"][size="2"] Millions of eggs & SPERM both are dying in our bodies every second MALES are RE-CREATING more sperm[/size][/font] [font="Arial Black"][size="2"]MORE ARE dying EVERY second OF our LIVES....[/size][/font] [font="Arial Black"][size="2"]If ROME & CATHOLICs were really interested IN SAVING the lives of these [u]UN NUMERABLE[/u] amount of eggs & SPERM [/size][/font] [font="Arial Black"][size="2"]They would be following U and I around trying to gather the sperm & eggs to keep them in a safe warm place to life for the few moments they live..[/size][/font] [font="Arial Black"][size="2"]But Catholics are not REALLY interested in saving anyone..[/size][/font] [font="Arial Black"][size="2"]THEY vote the SAME pro ABORTION officials into office every year..[/size][/font] [font="Arial Black"][size="2"] gathering the sperm & eggs to keep them in a safe warm place to [u]liVe [/u]for the few moments they live..[/size][/font] [font="Arial Black"][size="2"]Woukle be saving the SEED they claim is life..[/size][/font] [font="Arial Black"][size="2"]ITS A GERM, a SEED.... no breath [u],, [/u] no heart, no blood.....no genetic growth will ever COME from an unfertiled seed & egg..[/size][/font] [font="Arial Black"][size="2"]God breathed the breath OF LIFE into Adam & he became a living SOUL.....alive...life[/size][/font] [font="Arial Black"][size="2"][i][u]UNTILL[/u][/i] the[u] fetus has begun to gestate it is just an empty egg[/u] that MIGHT make it or MIGHT not...[/size][/font] [font="Arial Black"][size="2"]Partial birth although THAT gets to the realm of evil & after the [u]G[/u]estation begins.[/size][/font] [font="Arial Black"][size="2"]It is a matter of WHY is the baby being killed .... [u][i] i[/i][/u][i][u]s the mother in danger[/u][/i]....the child is deformed beyond any comfortable or sustainable life at all ? [/size][/font] [font="Arial Black"][size="2"]What is in your heart.....FOOLISHNESS & FAKE are the hearts of these [u][i]caTholics[/i][/u].... [/size][/font] [/quote] [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/blink.gif[/img] I went ahead and underlined some grammatical errors here. Also, a fetus is not simply an egg. An egg is an egg, will always be an egg. After fertilization with the sperm, it becomes a zygote, then an embryo, THEN a fetus. Nevertheless, still part of the human race. [font="verdana"][size="2"][font="verdana"][size="2"][color="#333333"][font="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#333333"][font="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][b][color="#333333"][font="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#333333"][font="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"]gestation[/size][/font][/color] [/size][/font][/color][/b][color="#333333"][font="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"] [color="#333333"][font="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"]ges·ta·tion[/size][/font][/color] [color="#333333"][font="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"](jě-stā'shən)[/size][/font][/color] The period of fetal development from conception until birth.[/size][/font][/color][/size][/font][/color] [/size][/font][/color][/size][/font][/size][/font][color="#7B7B7B"][font="arial"][size="2"]The American Heritage® Stedman's Medical Dictionary Copyright © 2002, 2001, 1995 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton MifflinCompany. [/size][/font][/color] [color="#7B7B7B"][font="arial"] [/font][/color]Gestation is growth from conception until birth. Conception is when the sperm fertilizes the egg. Also, sperm shouldn't be kept warm. The testes are actually kept at a slightly lower body temperature than the rest of the body for sperm growth. So, for science... that's all I have to say about that. Edited January 30, 2011 by AudreyGrace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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