This Man Is A Hero.

[Winchester]

[quote name='Sternhauser' timestamp='1289874730' post='2187350']
It's parallax-free Lexan. But your words were still distorted, somehow. Please rephrase in the form of a question.

~Sternhauser
[/quote]
Dude, you've got the wrong house.

[Sternhauser]

[quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1289875195' post='2187352']
Dude, you've got the wrong house.
[/quote]

But how many wildebeest [i]can[/i] fit in a Conex?

Yeah. That kind of "What on earth did you just say and how is it relevant to anything that has been said?"

~Sternhauser

Edited November 16, 2010 by Sternhauser

[Winchester]

[quote name='Sternhauser' timestamp='1289875361' post='2187354']
But how many wildebeest [i]can[/i] fit in a Conex?

Yeah. That kind of "What on earth did you just say and how is it relevant to anything that has been said?"

~Sternhauser
[/quote]
It depends on how finely you slice them.

[havok579257]

[quote name='sixpence' timestamp='1289863399' post='2187306']
1. may i ask where this information is from?
2. there is no reason to remove body piercings... these types of metals do not set off metal detectors... no one could possibly know you had them unless you told them or they strip-searched you... (i know this because of my ear piercings )
3. may i ask where the original info is from? I have heard that these scans a blurred out....
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http://www.prisonplanet.com/tsa-groping-out-of-control.html

the second video shows all the stuff i was saying.

as to number 3. just do a quick search on the internet and you can see what a scanned person looks like. i won't post it here since its pornography.

also the people who created these scanners have said the images are saved and the government specifically asked that images be able to be saved when they were requesting these machines.

[penguin31]

The terrorists don't win when they attempt to blow up the planes. They win when they fill us so full of fear that we destroy our own civil liberties and make ourselves prisoners in our own nation, and even by our own government.

[fides quarens intellectum]

sick. sick. sick. sick. sick.



sick.

[MIKolbe]

wow..

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4vM6E0OT9Y[/media]

[Archaeology cat]

[quote name='Lilllabettt' timestamp='1289695271' post='2187004']
enough is enough.

at some point the terrorists have won.
[/quote]
Agreed

[quote name='Tally Marx' timestamp='1289866955' post='2187314']
If being "safe" means that at some point I am going to have to live in A Brave New World sometime in 1984 along with the Shadow Children, then I would rather not be safe. I don't believe in surrendering my dignity, privacy, morality, and liberty for the sake of some perceived safety. And I strongly disagree with the government's "You can do this but..." mentality. "You can own this beautiful property in the country, but you have to pay a view tax." "You can get support from us for your hospital, but you have to provide abortions there." "You can send your child to public school,but they have to take sex ed at age five." "You can fly on this plane, but we must be able to search you in whatever way we wish." It's just a form of coercion.

It is easy to say, "Well, then, do not fly!" until your grandfather or daughter or cousin gets cancer and must be taken regularly to a hospital out of state for treatments, or until the only job you are qualified to get requires flying.
Saying "No" to flying, is indeed a sacrifice, and if you can and do make it then that is great. But not everyone can, and it doesn't mean that even everyone should, or that that is all they should do. Sometimes, people need to actually speak out. Americans have been having their liberties taken from them for years under the cloak of "just being politically correct" or "just making everyone safe" and they need to be shown that, because many of them have forgotten that "liberties may be endangered by the abuses of liberties as well as the abuses of power" and don't realize that that is exactly what is happening.

I wouldn't say, "If you don't want to surrender your morality, then don't fly." anymore than I would say, "If you don't want to surrender your morality, then don't have an abortion."
We don't just refrain from having an abortion, we also speak out against it. I think the same thing is happening here. It takes courage to speak out more than it takes to refrain, and someone has to do it. That's why people are viewing this guy as a hero.
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Well said. And yeah, all well and good to just say "don't fly", but what am I to do if/when we have to move back to the US? Or to see family? I do not want my children, my husband, or myself subjected to these searches.

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='MIkolbe' timestamp='1289931926' post='2187431']
wow..

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4vM6E0OT9Y[/media]
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At the end of this video it tells you how to get your child "deselected" for a random search. Can anyone get deselected?

[MIKolbe]

I think only children under 12 can be deselected, and the parent has to request it...which begs the question, why not just take them out of the 'random drawing population' to begin with?

[Sarah147]

I seriously want these authorities to publish some documents about why we "need" these backscatter x-rays INSTEAD of the old x-ray and old scanners. Why do they need a PICTURE, as opposed to a detailing of solid objects or metal on/in the body?

I'm not only concerned about the people this is being done to, but also the employees, who are forced to view pornographic material! It's unchaste.

Do they look at EVERYONE or is it by selection?

Edited November 16, 2010 by JoyfulLife

[sidemunch88]

[quote name='notardillacid' timestamp='1289688985' post='2186959']
So don't fly.
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I try not to cause my arms would get super tired super fast

[Sternhauser]

[quote name='JoyfulLife' timestamp='1289940110' post='2187450']
I seriously want these authorities to publish some documents about why we "need" these backscatter x-rays INSTEAD of the old x-ray and old scanners. Why do they need a PICTURE, as opposed to a detailing of solid objects or metal on/in the body?

I'm not only concerned about the people this is being done to, but also the employees, who are forced to view pornographic material! It's unchaste.

Do they look at EVERYONE or is it by selection?
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Joyful, read the preceding posts. Either you submit to the porn scanner, or you're groped. That's the choice everyone is given. Everyone.

~Sternhauser

[Winchester]

All nudity is not pornography. If it is, the Vatican art collection is in deep poo.

[Sternhauser]

[quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1289952541' post='2187485']
All nudity is not pornography. If it is, the Vatican art collection is in deep poo.
[/quote]

Not all killing of innocents is murder, either. That doesn't make it acceptable.

Women and men have dignity. It is being violated. Even if voluntarily. It's about by whom it's being run. And why. [url="http://www.gadling.com/2010/09/28/body-scanners-used-as-porn-by-airport-security/"]http://www.gadling.c...rport-security/[/url]

The official images provided by the TSA are NOT indicative of the level of detail the Pornotron 9000 is capable of.

TSA. Nigerian Statesecurity. Human nature.

Pornography can be in the mind and will of the beholder.

No one, man or woman, is morally obliged to submit to a strip search, physical or imaged, to travel. This is an abomination, but defend it all you like, Winchester. Go ahead. Claim you're only making a semantic point. If not, gut up and say you oppose the naked scanners. Or gut up and say that it's perfectly all right for women to be submitted to such treatment.

Catholics! Where are you, [i]Catholics[/i]? Defend womanly honor. Stand up. Or else [i]crouch down[/i]. You love Big Brother. Your physical safety is the most important thing in your life.

A [i]damnable[/i] culture. Waltzing into a materialistic paradise, founded on the principle that the physical is the only thing that exists, and is thus the only thing of value. A "culture" that values physical safety above basic dignity and decency. Above womanly virtue. Truly foul. Enjoy the nightmare to come.

~Sternhauser

Edited November 17, 2010 by Sternhauser