Gay "marriage" Coming To Minnesota

[thessalonian]

These poles are nonsense. Last week one station was saying Dayton up by 12 +/- 4% error. Today Channel 5 says we have a +/-4% error and Dayton is only up by one and we did our poling the right way. Now a minus 4 on the one and a plus 4 on the other shows that this is all nonsense. Some of it I think is intended to manipulate the voter.

[thessalonian]

[quote name='Sternhauser' timestamp='1288310941' post='2183322']
No. [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSra-McRZEc"]Jesse Ventura on Torture 1.[/url] [url="http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/jesse-ventura-you-give-me-water-board-Johnsonville%20brat"]Jesse Ventura on Torture II[/url] Except for his glowing review of Colin Powell, who turned a blind eye to war crimes, and even spoke somewhat approvingly of them.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxFLHwRiWpU&feature=related[/media]


I don't agree with him on a great deal of stuff, but he's got more guts and intellectual honesty in his little finger than most people develop in a lifetime.

~Sternhauser
[/quote]

Listening to Jesse was torture. He was a blowhard. I am quite sure that a heckler could have got him to put his hands around their neck. He just about did with a reporter one time. Jesse was all about himself. When he got in to office he started selling action figures of himself and getting wrestling refereeing gigs to cash in. Pro drugs, pro gay marriage, no care about abortion.... Feather boas and prostitutes were fun. What was wrong with Jesse? Alot!

[ardillacid]

I find it amusing that someone who denounced religion as 'a crutch for the weakminded' believes that a coin toss should be the way to decide major life decisions.

Edited October 29, 2010 by notardillacid

[Winchester]

[quote name='thessalonian' timestamp='1288148528' post='2182891']
So Mark Dayton leads in the poles.
[/quote]
What about in the Irish?

[MichaelFilo]

He's probably against the drug war, not for the use of drugs. Those are important issues, was there a better alternative? Also, did he run as a D or R?

[thessalonian]

[quote name='MichaelFilo' timestamp='1288378777' post='2183490']
He's probably against the drug war, not for the use of drugs. Those are important issues, was there a better alternative? Also, did he run as a D or R?
[/quote]

He was a libertariand independent and he was okay with pot and other drugs being used. Norm Coleman was the republican. A little dull but much better.

[Norseman82]

[quote name='thessalonian' timestamp='1288372434' post='2183464']
These poles are nonsense. [/quote]

Excuse me?

Edited October 30, 2010 by Norseman82

[southern california guy]

[quote name='MichaelFilo' timestamp='1288187191' post='2182958']
You guys are crazy up there, but do you even have a strong gay crowd?
[/quote]

Maybe they'll get a migration of homosexuals from other parts of the country.

[thessalonian]

Well the Lord pulled a fast one on us in Minnersota. Probably have Dayton for Gov (though another recount is coming) but both houses went republican so it is unlikely that any pro Gay "marriage" laws will be put before him. State hasn't gone republican in 40-60 years in both houses. Amazing. Relief.

[ardillacid]

Seems pretty sketch that all of Minnesota decided to vote republican then spontaneously decided to elect Mark Dayton as governor

[thessalonian]

Yes. There are a few red flags going off on that.

[N/A Gone]

[quote name='MichaelFilo' timestamp='1288187191' post='2182958']
You guys are crazy up there, but do you even have a strong gay crowd?
[/quote]

Yes. I have a handful of Christian leader/friends that are active in this issue. Some Catholic, some Anglican, many protestant.

The problem with the election in MN was that Emmer was a horrible choice as well. I know more people who simply refused to vote for Gov because they could not in clear conscience. Tom Emmer undoubtedly believes he is pro-life, but his voting record and his responses to a questionnaire asking which policies he would support if elected indicate otherwise. Once a person is birthed, howe...ver, Tom Emmer’s definition of sanctity seems in need of nuance and the implication that all life is worthy of protection is discovered to be false. In fact, he is not even 100% pro-birth, as he supports state funding of embryonic stem cell research. Children, especially those of low-income parents, outside the womb would undoubtedly suffer under Emmer’s gubernatorial term as he desires to greatly reduce welfare spending, and did not indicate a desire to provide childcare assistance to low-income workers’ children. As a legislator, he repeatedly voted against protecting children from violence, abuse, and harassment. He voted against a bill that requires schools districts to conduct background checks on athletic coaches or other providers of extracurricular services. He voted against a bill that requires schools to develop specific prevention policies focused on stopping harassment, bullying or violence based on actual or perceived race, color, creed, religion, national origin, sex, marital status, disability, socioeconomicstatus, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, age, physical characteristics, and association with anyone with one or more of these characteristics. He voted against a bill that requires districts to include electronic and Internet bullying in their anti-bullying policy. He indicated in the questionnaire that he does not support guaranteeing medical care to all citizens, an obvious affront to the sanctity of life, yet he supports the right for citizens to carry concealed firearms. Denying access to life saving services while supporting weapons designed to take life is not a pro-life position. He further opposes life in his claim that he would establish the death penalty in Minnesota. Tom Emmer, on his official campaign website, makes this claim: “I strongly believe in the sanctity of human life, from conception to natural death. As a legislator, I have voted 100% pro-life and introduced numerous bills and amendments to protect the unborn. As Governor, I will continue to support the rights of the unborn, the elderly and the infirm.” If human life from conception is sanctified, how can he support scientific experiments that destroy human embryos, which have developed as a result of conception? If human life is sanctified to natural death,how can he support the unnatural and deliberate termination of life as a form of punishment? The rights of the unborn include the rights of the embryo. The rights of the elderly and the infirm include rights to medical care. Tom Emmer cannot "continue to support the rights" of those he does not currently support. If you cannot vote for a candidate who is not pro-life, you cannot vote for Tom Emmer. Abortion will not be blocked by a vote for Emmer. Was it blocked by a vote for Pawlenty or any republican ever? Sacramental marriages are an issue for the Church, not the state. When did we start relying on the constitution or the legislature to define the church's sacraments? Should we support a constitutional amendment defining who can receive the Eucharist? The poor account for 70% of abortions. The current "pro-life" republican governor reduced programs providing direct relief to the poor. Claiming to be pro-life does nothing to preserve life, sustain life, or improve life. Pro-life is more than anti-abortion, and Emmer is even inconsistent on that issue. Emmer claims to believe that personhood begins at conception, but supports embryonic stem cell research, which according to his own position is taking the life of a human person. How despicable. Even the most "pro-abortion" candidate doesn't profess to take the life of a human person. If abortion terminates the life of a person, some "kill" out of ignorance. Emmer supports "killing" with intent (and for scientific research, which is good, right?). I realize that some of this rhetoric isunhelpful to a reasonable dialogue, but my point is that the majority of self-proclaimed "pro-life" candidates and the republican platform as a whole mean to hold hostage the faithful Catholics and others who respect the human person throughout natural life.

I am burned out on this stuff. We need good leaders.

[Sternhauser]

[quote name='thessalonian' timestamp='1288372679' post='2183466']. Jesse was all about himself. When he got in to office he started selling action figures of himself and getting wrestling refereeing gigs to cash in. Pro drugs, pro gay marriage, no care about abortion.... Feather boas and prostitutes were fun. What was wrong with Jesse? Alot!
[/quote]

So, in other words, he was a politician, like every other? Do you think Ron Paul is "pro drugs, pro sodomite unions, and doesn't care about abortion?"

There are going to be big problems when you get the State involved with the metaphysical definition of marriage. Especially when it gives other people's money to married people. Keep the State out of private voluntary contracts. And certainly out of the covenant that is marriage.

~Sternhauser

Edited November 10, 2010 by Sternhauser

[N/A Gone]

I would need to agree. The best thing would be for the state to stay out of it. They do not change the sacramental understanding. We do not complain that unbaptized people are married, or that the state has not doing something about the divorce rate.