Stephen Colbert Preaches Redemptive Suffering On The View

[Socrates]

[quote name='Jesus_lol' timestamp='1294042911' post='2196122']
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Yeah, we don't want to help the poor.

We want to have the government do that for us by spending ever more money, and it'll do this by raising taxes on whomever is richer than we are.
Then we can all stand around and slap each other on the back for our heroic self-sacrificing virtue in voting Democrat.

[quote name='tgoldson' timestamp='1294087483' post='2196225']
http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/368914/december-16-2010/jesus-is-a-liberal-democrat
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Bilge like that epitomizes why I can't stand Colbert.

If he's so concerned about Christian charity for the poor, maybe he should go sell all his possessions to give to the poor, rather than sitting around mocking those who disagree with his leftist politics on TV for big bucks.

[ThePenciledOne]

[quote name='Socrates' timestamp='1294096070' post='2196272']
If he's so concerned about Christian charity for the poor, maybe he should go sell all his possessions to give to the poor, rather than sitting around mocking those who disagree with his leftist politics on TV for big bucks.
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Because that's obviously what would solve the problem.

Putting up false challenges like that are silly and illogical.

Last time I checked both sides conservative/liberal both have their barking dogs (Colbert,O'Reily,Beck) etc that want to call out people and politicians, yet it is the majority of people that vote the idiot senators/representatives in the first place.

Though we can't get ourselves out of the situation, because we are trapped in it anyway.

oh well....

[Jesus_lol]

[quote name='Socrates' timestamp='1294096070' post='2196272']
Yeah, we don't want to help the poor.

We want to have the government do that for us by spending ever more money, and it'll do this by raising taxes on whomever is richer than we are.
Then we can all stand around and slap each other on the back for our heroic self-sacrificing virtue in voting Democrat.


Bilge like that epitomizes why I can't stand Colbert.

If he's so concerned about Christian charity for the poor, maybe he should go sell all his possessions to give to the poor, rather than sitting around mocking those who disagree with his leftist politics on TV for big bucks.
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is there any point in voting a Christian politician into government if they wont use the government to help the poor?


It seems the american people are hell bent on making sure that the money they have already given to the government is used for wars rather than being directed back at the problems with america, education, poverty, unemployment, sickness.

i can understand not wanting to give more money to the government, but how about asking that the money you already give is used to save people rather than kill them?

Edited January 4, 2011 by Jesus_lol

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='Light and Truth' timestamp='1293935738' post='2195834']
"Mr. COLBERT: Well, sure. You know, that's the hallmark of an American Catholic, is the individuation of America and the homogenation of the church; homogenation in terms of dogma. I love my church and I don't think that it actually makes zombies or unquestioning people. I think it's actually a church that values intellectualism, but certainly, it can become very dogmatically rigid.

Somebody once asked me, `How do you be a father'--'cause I'm a father of three children--`and be anti-authoritarian?' And I said, `Well, that's not nearly as hard as being anti-authoritarian and being a Roman Catholic,' you know? That's really patting your head and rubbing your belly at the same time. I don't know. You know, I don't believe that I can't disagree with my church and I'll leave it at that."
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Sounds like a good hearted Liberal Cafeteria Catholic, who has the best of intentions.

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='Jesus_lol' timestamp='1294042911' post='2196122']
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If I am not mistaken, Americans give more to charity than most other nations, and of those Americans Christians and Conservatives are more likely to donate more than Non-religious and Liberals.

The government should help the poor, but not become their parents. The Private section often does far more to help the poor anyway.

Edited January 4, 2011 by KnightofChrist

[Anastasia13]

[quote name='Socrates' timestamp='1294096070' post='2196272']If he's so concerned about Christian charity for the poor, maybe he should go sell all his possessions to give to the poor, rather than sitting around mocking those who disagree with his leftist politics on TV for big bucks.
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Because he already gives a lot of money, is on the board of Donor's Choose, which he monetarily supports, and uses his fame and position to raise easily hundreds of thousands of dollars if not over a million (I am at work, but I recall a hundred thousand number being one of the lower numbers of the charities helps raise funds for). Pardon the already financially and chronologically generous man for having a house and a good school environment for his kids.

[Jesus_lol]

An imperfect catholic, what a surprise.

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='Jesus_lol' timestamp='1294100854' post='2196306']
An imperfect catholic, what a surprise.
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All Catholics are imperfect, not all Catholics believe they can disagree with Mother Church, believe dogma to be a negative word, and that it's hard to be Catholic and not authoritarian.

[Anastasia13]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' timestamp='1294101225' post='2196309']
All Catholics are imperfect, not all Catholics believe... that it's hard to be Catholic and not authoritarian.
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I believe his point was that being a dad and non authoritarian is the one that really is hard.

Edited January 4, 2011 by Light and Truth

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='Light and Truth' timestamp='1294101537' post='2196312']
I believe his point was that being a dad and non authoritarian is the one that really is hard.
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Only he said the opposite. Being a father he said was "not nearly as hard as being anti-authoritarian and being a Roman Catholic".

[Jesus_lol]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' timestamp='1294121055' post='2196461']
Only he said the opposite. Being a father he said was "not nearly as hard as being anti-authoritarian and being a Roman Catholic".
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i dont see how being catholic means you must be authoritarian. its a pretty common thing to dislike being told what to do, and im sure many catholics struggle with that aspect of their faith.

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='Jesus_lol' timestamp='1294122853' post='2196467']
i dont see how being catholic means you must be authoritarian. [/quote]

Nor do I. The Catholic Church is the ark of Liberty.

[quote name='Jesus_lol' timestamp='1294122853' post='2196467']its a pretty common thing to dislike being told what to do, and im sure many catholics struggle with that aspect of their faith.
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Many Catholic's struggle with many aspects of the Faith, this does not make it ok to pick a choose what each will follow. There is no place for relativism in the Church. The Church has many problems today because too many think like Colbert does that each can disagree with the Church. That sort of thinking causes conflicting and contrary beliefs. Not to mention lead to rebellion against Church teaching.

[Jesus_lol]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' timestamp='1294123828' post='2196471']
Nor do I. The Catholic Church is the ark of Liberty.



Many Catholic's struggle with many aspects of the Faith, this does not make it ok to pick a choose what each will follow. There is no place for relativism in the Church. The Church has many problems today because too many think like Colbert does that each can disagree with the Church. That sort of thinking causes conflicting and contrary beliefs. Not to mention lead to rebellion against Church teaching.
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then i dont really see where you are reading into him saying that he picked and choosed beliefs. his statement there seemed to show he loved his church, and i dont think he said anything untrue about it. homogenization is pretty much the point o a universal dogma, is it not? and there can be such a thing as too rigidly dogmatic, being what some people refer to as "being more catholic than the Pope"

Edited January 4, 2011 by Jesus_lol

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='Jesus_lol' timestamp='1294124868' post='2196473']
then i dont really see where you are reading into him saying that he picked and choosed beliefs. his statement there seemed to show he loved his church, and i dont think he said anything untrue about it. homogenization is pretty much the point o a universal dogma, is it not? and there can be such a thing as too rigidly dogmatic, being what some people refer to as "being more catholic than the Pope"
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His stating that he believes one can question/disagree with the Church is picking and choosing. I am sure like many Cafeteria Catholics he is otherwise good, and has the best of intentions. But Church teaching is not relative, and Colbert is wrong, what he states is cause for scandal, because others will look up to him and think they to can disagree with and question the Church too.

[Jesus_lol]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' timestamp='1294125364' post='2196474']
His stating that he believes one can question/disagree with the Church is picking and choosing. I am sure like many Cafeteria Catholics he is otherwise good, and has the best of intentions. But Church teaching is not relative, and Colbert is wrong, what he states is cause for scandal, because others will look up to him and think they to can disagree with and question the Church too.
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There is room for disagreement with the church, and many good catholics would back me up on that. dUSt and his Militant tags dont agree, but afaik non dogmatic matters are often open to a certain amount of interpretation, and other opinions and teachings of certain popes are not held as binding. Case in point, the Capital Punishment thread we had here a while back, where certain pontiffs and teachings had contrary views, but as far as i know you could believe either way and still be considered a catholic.