Stephen Colbert Preaches Redemptive Suffering On The View

[sixpence]

[quote name='kujo' timestamp='1288905859' post='2184911']
...so you're saying that a Catholic who is looking for guidance is going to be so moved by the words of Stephen Colbert, that he/she will make decisions on masturbation, fornication, sodomy, gay marriage and other issues?

I mean, I love the guy. But I don't think ANYONE loves him THAT much. I wouldn't formulate any opinion on anything based on the satirical assertions made by a comedian.
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He is correct... if you read St. Paul's letters.... we, as Christians, have to look out for the less informed people among us who might actually look to our actions for guidance, whether we are joking or not. We are not to accidentally put stumbling blocks/ potential mixed messages before them (even if is apparently not a mixed message to us). The example is something like... even though us Edjumacated people know that eating meat sacrificed to idols is fine.. cause there isn't really another God they were sacrificed to.... other Less Edjumacated people who still might believe in idols might see this very differently.. so we are obligated not to do it for their sake

So in this example, even though you and I know that the comedy is just comedy, other may take it too far....
and before you say that no one is that dumb... I KNEW a sister of a friend who totally believe everything she heard on TV no matter how ridiculous...

Yey for flip-floppery!!

Edited November 4, 2010 by sixpence

[Seven77]

Frankly, while i like much of his harmless humor and appreciate that he's Catholic---I don't think he... [i]represents[/i]... very well. With great power comes great responsibility.

Forget secularists, the devil loves the filth that spews from a professed Christian's mouth. We gotta watch our step.

[Sternhauser]

[quote name='kujo' timestamp='1288905859' post='2184911']
...so you're saying that a Catholic who is looking for guidance is going to be so moved by the words of Stephen Colbert, that he/she will make decisions on masturbation, fornication, sodomy, gay marriage and other issues?

I mean, I love the guy. But I don't think ANYONE loves him THAT much. I wouldn't formulate any opinion on anything based on the satirical assertions made by a comedian.
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We are called to be the salt of the earth, not to be trod underfoot by the prevailing culture. We are trendsetters, not trend followers. We are to be cultural leaders, not culturally led.

~Sternhauser

Edited November 5, 2010 by Sternhauser

[Ephrem Augustine]

I dont know if anybody noticed
stephen colbert walked off in protest, to make jest of two of the members of the view who actually did walk off the set in protest to something they disagreed with.
im glad to see him true to himself and his faith on the view

[Sternhauser]

[quote name='Ephrem Augustine' timestamp='1289099134' post='2185485']
I dont know if anybody noticed
stephen colbert walked off in protest, to make jest of two of the members of the view who actually did walk off the set in protest to something they disagreed with.[/quote]

What was remarkable about his joke? Did he walk off the set because he actually believed there should be mosques everywhere?

[quote]im glad to see him true to himself and his faith on the view
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Pardon the sarcasm, but it really is the best way to express certain concepts. Please recognize it is against the popular idea, not you.

Yeah, that was great. It takes guts to stand up for a facet of Catholicism nobody disagrees with: "everyone suffers . . . love life and don't be bitter."
Now, if only he could stay true to the Faith on his own show on some of the basic tenets of Catholicism, like, say, not dropping the F-bomb, (a profanation of a sacred act), taking Jesus's name in vain, God's name in vain, talking about himself masturbating frequently (jestingly or not) and making all manner of obscene jokes at every opportunity. What a great witness. He would be a better one if he said he weren't Catholic.

~Sternhauser

Edited November 7, 2010 by Sternhauser

[Lilllabettt]

Stern, sometimes perfection is the enemy of good.

We don't get to see many celebrities talking about their 10 brothers and sisters and the value of redemptive suffering in their lives.

I don't expect Colbert will be canonized anytime soon.
I don't think anybody here has said he's a great role model.
That's all been you.

Its great to see this stuff openly discussed on day time tv, by Mr. Colbert or anyone. He talked about it when he could have answered some other way. Good for him.

[Selah]

[quote]I don't expect Colbert will be canonized anytime soon. [/quote]


BLASPHERMY!

Edited November 7, 2010 by Selah

[Anastasia13]

[quote name='Sternhauser' timestamp='1289133306' post='2185521']
What was remarkable about his joke? Did he walk off the set because he actually believed there should be mosques everywhere?



Pardon the sarcasm, but it really is the best way to express certain concepts. Please recognize it is against the popular idea, not you.

Yeah, that was great. It takes guts to stand up for a facet of Catholicism nobody disagrees with: "everyone suffers . . . love life and don't be bitter."
Now, if only he could stay true to the Faith on his own show on some of the basic tenets of Catholicism, like, say, not dropping the F-bomb, (a profanation of a sacred act), taking Jesus's name in vain, God's name in vain, talking about himself masturbating frequently (jestingly or not) and making all manner of obscene jokes at every opportunity. What a great witness. He would be a better one if he said he weren't Catholic.

~Sternhauser
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We must watch slightly different episodes of his. That is a little worse than I used to watch.

[MithLuin]

I have only seen a few of his episodes (more clips than anything), but I can say that I have heard him say 'OMG' and 'Jesus Christ' disrespectfully. The instance I'm thinking of was after a clip where he pretended to ask the White House dog to be his guest on the show, and was told he was already booked. Not exactly a great response.

'The View' had O'Reilly on right before Colbert. While O'Reilly was there, Whoopi Goldberg (and someone else?) walked off. Thus, Stephen was mocking the 'I'm walking off!' statement by doing it for something frivolous...and then coming right back. He was, in effect, making fun of the women he was talking to....same with his bedbugs comment about the couch on The View. Like most jokes in this category, you have to know what he is mocking to understand why it's supposed to be funny. [That's why I never got Saturday Night Live - you had to actually follow politics and pop culture to understand the references.]

[Sternhauser]

[quote name='MithLuin' timestamp='1289170191' post='2185610']
'The View' had O'Reilly on right before Colbert. While O'Reilly was there, Whoopi Goldberg (and someone else?) walked off. Thus, Stephen was mocking the 'I'm walking off!' statement by doing it for something frivolous...and then coming right back. He was, in effect, making fun of the women he was talking to....same with his bedbugs comment about the couch on The View. Like most jokes in this category, you have to know what he is mocking to understand why it's supposed to be funny. [That's why I never got Saturday Night Live - you had to actually follow politics and pop culture to understand the references.]
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I'm aware of why he walked off. I'm saying that it's a leap to say that action was "standing up for what he believed in," when it was a joke, from the time he got up to the time he sat back down.

~Sternhauser

[Sternhauser]

[quote name='Lilllabettt' timestamp='1289164780' post='2185583']
Stern, sometimes perfection is the enemy of good.

We don't get to see many celebrities talking about their 10 brothers and sisters and the value of redemptive suffering in their lives.[/quote]

I may be missing it, but the word "redemption" or "redemptive" didn't come up. He said that suffering could help you empathize with others. Pagans agree with that truth, too. "She taught us to be grateful for pain" seems to be more of a Stoic idea than Catholic. It would have been great if he had mentioned redemptive suffering qua redemptive suffering: offering it in atonement for one's sins and those of others, and for the souls in purgatory. But that's not what he talked about.

[quote]I don't expect Colbert will be canonized anytime soon.
I don't think anybody here has said he's a great role model.
That's all been you.[/quote]

I've said quite the opposite: that most of the time, his words and actions are [i]scandalous. [/i]

[quote]Its great to see this stuff openly discussed on day time tv, by Mr. Colbert or anyone. He talked about it when he could have answered some other way. Good for him.
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Tom Cruise talks about the same stuff. I wish he would talk about the Faith, and acknowledge (as I would) that I do not live up to it nearly as much as I should. Whenever someone asks if I'm Catholic, I tell him, "I try to be." That gets the idea across to a lukewarm world that Catholicism isn't a sexually transmitted condition, but a faith, and a set of ideals to which one must strive to live up to: faith without works is dead.

But when you take the time to write blasphemies and obscenities into your script, it goes a little beyond "Oops, I slipped up. Mea culpa." I have no idea about the state of his soul: that's not why I'm talking about this. As a man who calls himself Catholic in public, the man's behavior is scandalous, and he needs to knock it off. I will not laud him for not being as bad as he could be. Even Nancy Pelosi talks about how it's fine to talk about the sanctity of human life. Lip service is one thing: following through is what counts.

~Sternhauser

Edited November 7, 2010 by Sternhauser

[Lilllabettt]

[quote name='Sternhauser' timestamp='1289173070' post='2185622']

I've said quite the opposite: that most of the time, his words and actions are [i]scandalous. [/i]

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I mean its all you who is bringing that up.

No one is saying he's a role model or a "good" Catholic or anything. You're setting up a straw horse and knocking it down all by yourself.

[Sternhauser]

[quote name='Lilllabettt' timestamp='1289177568' post='2185625']
I mean its all you who is bringing that up.

No one is saying he's a role model or a "good" Catholic or anything. You're setting up a straw horse and knocking it down all by yourself.
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I think you'll find that's not the case, if you go through some of the posts. In fact, you'll find some folks who think his humor is just fine, and not unbecoming of a Catholic. It is to them that I speak.

~Sternhauser

Edited November 8, 2010 by Sternhauser

[MithLuin]

In [url=http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/88036/june-05-2007/when-animals-attack-our-morals---flamingos]this clip[/url], Colbert references taking a pelican to church, and mentions the Eucharist. I don't see how anyone could watch this and [i]not[/i] realize that he's mocking churchgoers. Also [url=http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/222215/march-19-2009/when-animals-attack-our-morals---chimps--lizards---spiders]this clip[/url], where he talks about spiders performing miracles and compares them to Jesus.

Oh, and warnings for inappropriate innuendo in these clips. (Biologically accurate, but it was about a lizard.)

Edited November 8, 2010 by MithLuin

[dominicansoul]

colbert was part of the recent political rally in D.C., where far-leftists gathered to spike their votes for pro-abortion politicians, so, no, I dont think Colbert really is someone I would look to for a catechism lesson...



....what he speaks of on the View is all emotion and fluffiness...

Edited November 8, 2010 by dominicansoul