Stephen Colbert Preaches Redemptive Suffering On The View

[kujo]

[quote name='Ed Normile' timestamp='1288023479' post='2182340']
Sure its not his responsibilty to address others kids parenting, it is his responsibility as far as what he produces though. I would think that most people here would have a hard time accepting me as a catholic if were to post that I was the leading distributor of abortion procedure suppllies in the world, even if I said I never personally performed an abortion. I could agree as what I produce enables abortions and therefore I am complicent in those procedures.

ed
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Are you drawing a correlation between satirical scatological humor and the distribution of abortofacients?

I know it's fall and yesterday was Halloween, but your strawman argument is pretty lamesauce.

[Paddington]

The bear-hating monster gave a nice appearance on The View. I will give him that. I'm sure Hitler was pleasant at times too.

[Sternhauser]

[quote name='kujo' timestamp='1288657607' post='2184092']
Are you drawing a correlation between satirical scatological humor and the distribution of abortofacients?

I know it's fall and yesterday was Halloween, but your strawman argument is pretty lamesauce.
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Scatological? We're not talking about scatological humor. We're talking sexual perversity, and giving scandal. Participation in grave sin. Ed is comparing grave sin to grave sin, not comparing the gravity of the grave sins. One grave sin, despite the degree of its gravity, is enough to send oneself to hell.


~Sternhauser

[kujo]

[quote name='Sternhauser' timestamp='1288660460' post='2184116']
Scatological? We're not talking about scatological humor. We're talking sexual perversity, and giving scandal. Participation in grave sin. Ed is comparing grave sin to grave sin, not comparing the gravity of the grave sins. One grave sin, despite the degree of its gravity, is enough to send oneself to hell.


~Sternhauser
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Which jokes were so gravely-sinful that it they became comparable, in any way, to tangibly supporting and assisting in the murder of an unborn child?

Edited November 2, 2010 by kujo

[MithLuin]

Sure, some of Colbert's humor is fine.

Like [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rq8y3_Dy0Tw]this segment[/url] with President Obama. Or calling [url=http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/181944/june-07-2006/balrog]CNN for using a picture of a balrog in a segment instead of Satan[/url]. (You'll note that his theology is accurate.)

But some of it does cross a whole lot of lines. For instance, the segment where he pretends he is [url=http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/181609/february-27-2006/confess-your-sins-to-stephen]a priest in the confessional[/url], and has people confess their sins to him. It ends with a caller who confesses having impure thoughts for Stephen Colbert, which he responds to by requesting the call be patched through to his dressing room. How can anyone say that's an example of Stephen Colbert, the good Catholic boy???

Edited November 2, 2010 by MithLuin

[kujo]

[quote name='MithLuin' timestamp='1288662456' post='2184132']
Sure, some of Colbert's humor is fine.

Like [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rq8y3_Dy0Tw]this segment[/url] with President Obama. Or calling [url=http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/181944/june-07-2006/balrog]CNN for using a picture of a balrog in a segment instead of Satan[/url]. (You'll note that his theology is accurate.)

But some of it does cross a whole lot of lines. For instance, the segment where he pretends he is [url=http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/181609/february-27-2006/confess-your-sins-to-stephen]a priest in the confessional[/url], and has people confess their sins to him. It ends with a caller who confesses having impure thoughts for Stephen Colbert, which he responds to by requesting the call be patched through to his dressing room. How can anyone say that's an example of Stephen Colbert, the good Catholic boy???
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I don't know that anyone is suggesting that Colbert be canonized anytime soon. Nor is anyone disputing that his jokes and general sense of humor is pure. But he sure isn't on par with anyone passing out abortion pills. A 6 year old could tell you that.

[MithLuin]

No disagreement from me there, though I don't watch his show so I can't say that I know what exactly he talks about. I just know that it's satire, and he's mocking fundamentalist Christians and news commentators who are full of themselves.

[Sternhauser]

[quote name='kujo' timestamp='1288662212' post='2184127']
Which jokes were so gravely-sinful that it they became comparable, in any way, to tangibly supporting and assisting in the murder of an unborn child?
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Which poster was comparing the comparitive gravity of grave sins? Nobody was. He was pointing out that both acts constitute [i]grave matter, [/i]not that they are [i]equally [/i]grave. Do you understand the difference?

~Sternhauser

[sixpence]

So how does Steven Colbert producing the Colbert Report morally compare to Jonathan Swift writing "A Modest Proposal" which I recall having to read in my Catholic high school?

[Paddington]

^
Could you share a little about that story and how it could be a scandal? I don't know it.

[sixpence]

[quote name='Paddington' timestamp='1288741386' post='2184310']
^
Could you share a little about that story and how it could be a scandal? I don't know it.
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It is a famous satire explaining the merits of selling ones children for meat, in order to get through tough economic times. Meant to jab at the current social system and governments treatment of the poor, mostly Catholic Irish.

[Paddington]

Thank you Sixpence.

[Anastasia13]

[quote name='MithLuin' timestamp='1288662456' post='2184132']
Sure, some of Colbert's humor is fine.

Like [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rq8y3_Dy0Tw]this segment[/url] with President Obama. Or calling [url=http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/181944/june-07-2006/balrog]CNN for using a picture of a balrog in a segment instead of Satan[/url]. (You'll note that his theology is accurate.)

But some of it does cross a whole lot of lines. For instance, the segment where he pretends he is [url=http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/181609/february-27-2006/confess-your-sins-to-stephen]a priest in the confessional[/url], and has people confess their sins to him. It ends with a caller who confesses having impure thoughts for Stephen Colbert, which he responds to by requesting the call be patched through to his dressing room. How can anyone say that's an example of Stephen Colbert, the good Catholic boy???
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It's also an opportunity to reflect on what it means for someone to really be a spiritual leader. He made no more mockery of it than the priests who did impure things with alter boys, but he also said at the beginning of the skit that he was not a priest and thus made far more of a distinction between abusing a role and really being a spiritual leader.

Edited November 3, 2010 by Light and Truth

[Semper Catholic]

[quote name='Sternhauser' timestamp='1287887461' post='2181967']
They should be in bed. The bottom line is that Colbert, as an avowed Catholic shouldn't be broadcasting a lot of the stuff he does, because it's scandalous.

~Sternhauser
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Lol who makes their kids go to bed at 7 O'Clock? You guys are child abusers:smile2:

[Anastasia13]

[quote name='Semper Catholic' timestamp='1288759558' post='2184360']
Lol who makes their kids go to bed at 7 O'Clock? You guys are child abusers:smile2:
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What good parent is so uninvolved in their child's life they let an underage/non-discerning kid watch that without any guidance? Oh right, they just get excused from parenting because both parents might work. Maybe next we can clean up MTV?