Sternhauser Posted October 21, 2010 Author Share Posted October 21, 2010 [quote name='MichaelFilo' timestamp='1287611921' post='2181121'] I think the problem is some people don't care about the state's growing power. Well, it is to your folly. Wise government is limited government, and when you think it's ok for officers to see themselves as some privileged class of people then we must part ways. After all, I believe all men are created in the image of God, and that principal translates into the equality of man inherent in our system. The intent is that even the president is no better than the average man, much less a police officer. It is not a matter of being bitter, but if you don't protect the rights of those you oppose (and I oppose those groups who went protesting) then expect your own rights to be circumvented. Also, what about our American policy of due process and equal protection under the law. Why is it ok for the president to put out a hit on an American citizen without a trial? See, even if you think this president will be wise with his new powers the next one might not be. This president's administration called pro-lifers potential terrorists, as well as returning soldiers. Do you see the potential here? [/quote] You see, Michael, nothing is wrong, because if you don't like it, you can vote, or move. Those two facts obviously make the current situation a just one. ~Sternhauser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rizz_loves_jesus Posted October 21, 2010 Share Posted October 21, 2010 [quote name='KnightofChrist' timestamp='1287602872' post='2181074'] I don't think the woman was acting her age or being respectful to the police officer, she purposefully was trying to upset and irritate him. Then got arrested, big surprise. She should have acted like an adult and known better. Children get spankings adults go to jail. Welcome to real life. [/quote] Being irritating isn't a crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havok579257 Posted October 21, 2010 Share Posted October 21, 2010 [quote name='rizz_loves_jesus' timestamp='1287628631' post='2181195'] Being irritating isn't a crime. [/quote] more proft that these threads give unchristian citizens a pass. the women was acting unchristian. she was trying to provoke a response from the cop. she was told to stop blowing bubbles in the officers face and she kept it up. she had to be told again to stop and then she finally did. although i am perfectly sure Jesus would have done the same thing to the officer. cause he was so big on being unchristian how about not giving an unchristian women a pass just because? how about holding her unchristian actions accountable as not being christian and trying to provoke a response. oh wait i forgot, she gets a pass because she is not a cop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havok579257 Posted October 21, 2010 Share Posted October 21, 2010 [quote name='Mr Cat' timestamp='1287597456' post='2181060'] [center][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVwXOKZh4Os[/media][/center] Yes... because you DIDN'T compare it to vandalism, you didn't just argue again that it was menacing, and you didn't argue in favor of "[i]Officer Bubbles[/i]". Maybe considering watching or learning what happened leading up to and during this protest in particular might help you understand. Which isn't the reason given that she was taken into custody nor the reason why the police BLOCKED people from dispersing from the protest. So the argument of blowing bubbles is COMPLETELY irrelevant, but I guess in your mind the girl blowing bubbles should of been pinned to the ground and tased. If you watch the video the female officer with him seems a little [b]surprised[/b] at his response. The situation simply could of been handled better, the officer unnecessarily intimated frighten the girl, and arrested a girl who did nothing to warrant arrest. She fact she [u]cooperated[/u] with "Officer Bubbles"... So now she gets to enjoy the shame and exposure of of jail. I think the reason why you KnightofChrist arguing this upsets me is you argue so strongly for respect and protection of women, but then see the aggressive male as justified. When this was happening it appears a large crowd gathered outside of the protest to protest what the police were doing... The police were in the wrong.If you touched my nephew or niece because they were blowing bubbles at you, considering their little kids, I would have to retaliate. Which would also include you being expelled from wherever this was. But I am so pleased that you consider being dragged away to jail comparable to a "little" swat on the bottom. [/quote] so the unchristian women gets a pass for her unchristian actions because she is not a cop. got ya. only cops can do wrong and being unchristian is not wrong at all. so glad that is made clear now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelFilo Posted October 21, 2010 Share Posted October 21, 2010 She put it away. It was not bothering the other cop. If a child and a parent both call each other idiots you hold the parent accountable and not the child. Why? Because one has the power of force. They have a heavier weight on their shoulders. Police are entrusted with certain powers but they are expected to be more prudent than the average citizen. Blowing bubbles is not unchristian. She put them away as soon as he said. His anger was unchristian. Even then, it is all irrelevant because she got arrested for simply having a backpack, a number on her hand, and a bandanna. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted October 21, 2010 Share Posted October 21, 2010 (edited) [quote name='Jesus_lol' timestamp='1287543369' post='2180904'] actually, there were plenty of reasons for people to be ****** off at the g20. like the fact that somehow it cost us canadians a BILLION DOLLARS. [/quote] Maybe it wouldn't cost you a billion dollars if those bratty hooligans weren't rioting and causing property damage. Those are the ones you should be "urinated" off at. Edited October 21, 2010 by Norseman82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ardillacid Posted October 21, 2010 Share Posted October 21, 2010 [quote name='Sternhauser' timestamp='1287628528' post='2181193'] You see, Michael, nothing is wrong, because if you don't like it, you can vote, or move. Those two facts obviously make the current situation a just one. ~Sternhauser [/quote] Huzzah for Stern, slaying the Mighty Strawman! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Cat Posted October 21, 2010 Share Posted October 21, 2010 (edited) [quote name='havok579257' timestamp='1287631687' post='2181213']so the unchristian women gets a pass for her unchristian actions because she is not a cop. got ya. only cops can do wrong and being unchristian is not wrong at all. so glad that is made clear now.[/quote]"A pass"? Did you just come into this conversation after lightly skimming the topic? Peace Officers are supposed to exhibit a self-control and self-discipline above children fighting in the back seat with the cry of "[i]shes touching me!!![/i]" I guess you disagree? I suspect you think this woman is "unchristian"? Really, based on what? From my perspective there is nothing to determine what she is or isn't. I also like how you gloss over the ENTIRE situation as with the mentality of"[i]anti-police[/i]". It makes me wonder why I cared to mentioned that she cooperated with "[i]Officer Bubbles[/i]". I am starting to speculate that some people feel that women should be cherished, protected, and respected in as much as their doing what their told. Do you think a woman protesting at all is unchristian? What do you think she should of done when the officer asked her to stop, [i]other than stop because that's what she did[/i]. Edited October 21, 2010 by Mr Cat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rizz_loves_jesus Posted October 21, 2010 Share Posted October 21, 2010 (edited) [quote name='havok579257' timestamp='1287631562' post='2181212'] more proft that these threads give unchristian citizens a pass. the women was acting unchristian. she was trying to provoke a response from the cop. she was told to stop blowing bubbles in the officers face and she kept it up. she had to be told again to stop and then she finally did. although i am perfectly sure Jesus would have done the same thing to the officer. cause he was so big on being unchristian how about not giving an unchristian women a pass just because? how about holding her unchristian actions accountable as not being christian and trying to provoke a response. oh wait i forgot, she gets a pass because she is not a cop. [/quote] sifjslak;fj ;lksad jklfj ksdljahf oia;eu wtoikjaewk; ru90q32iujrnwek;s You aren't understanding what I'm saying. Being unchristian ISN'T A CRIME. You CANNOT arrest someone simply because you don't like them or because they're annoying/irritating. I did think he was a little rude, but he was within his right to be rude. However, he was NOT within his right to arrest her. You can't arrest someone just because. You just can't. Why are you not seeing this?? Had she assaulted him or ACTUALLY COMMITTED A CRIME he would have had the right to arrest her!! But she didn't! So arresting her was out of line! Edited October 21, 2010 by rizz_loves_jesus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelFilo Posted October 21, 2010 Share Posted October 21, 2010 [quote name='rizz_loves_jesus' timestamp='1287633518' post='2181223'] sifjslak;fj ;lksad jklfj ksdljahf oia;eu wtoikjaewk; ru90q32iujrnwek;s You aren't understanding what I'm saying. Being unchristian ISN'T A CRIME. You CANNOT arrest someone simply because you don't like them or because they're annoying/irritating. I did think he was a little rude, but he was within his right to be rude. However, he was NOT within his right to arrest her. You can't arrest someone just because. You just can't. Why are you not seeing this?? [/quote] Freedom is not a concept that many people cherish, so protecting it is not meaningful to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sternhauser Posted October 21, 2010 Author Share Posted October 21, 2010 [quote name='notardillacid' timestamp='1287632551' post='2181217'] Huzzah for Stern, slaying the Mighty Strawman! [/quote] I hear that argument all the time. Nothing strawman about it. ~Sternhauser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sternhauser Posted October 21, 2010 Author Share Posted October 21, 2010 [quote name='rizz_loves_jesus' timestamp='1287633518' post='2181223'] sifjslak;fj ;lksad jklfj ksdljahf oia;eu wtoikjaewk; ru90q32iujrnwek;s You aren't understanding what I'm saying. Being unchristian ISN'T A CRIME. You CANNOT arrest someone simply because you don't like them or because they're annoying/irritating. I did think he was a little rude, but he was within his right to be rude. However, he was NOT within his right to arrest her. You can't arrest someone just because. You just can't. Why are you not seeing this?? Had she assaulted him or ACTUALLY COMMITTED A CRIME he would have had the right to arrest her!! But she didn't! So arresting her was out of line! [/quote] He gets a pass because he's a cop. And because she was unchristian. ~Sternhauser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sternhauser Posted October 21, 2010 Author Share Posted October 21, 2010 [quote name='MichaelFilo' timestamp='1287633606' post='2181224'] Freedom is not a concept that many people cherish, so protecting it is not meaningful to them. [/quote] Well said. The other problem is that before they can cherish it, they have to recognize it. ~Sternhauser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Cat Posted October 21, 2010 Share Posted October 21, 2010 [quote name='rizz_loves_jesus' timestamp='1287633518' post='2181223']sifjslak;fj ;lksad jklfj ksdljahf oia;eu wtoikjaewk; ru90q32iujrnwek;s You aren't understanding what I'm saying. Being unchristian ISN'T A CRIME. You CANNOT arrest someone simply because you don't like them or because they're annoying/irritating. I did think he was a little rude, but he was within his right to be rude. However, he was NOT within his right to arrest her. You can't arrest someone just because. You just can't. Why are you not seeing this??[/quote] +1 I like the voice I imagine while reading this... Sort of flabbergasted disbelief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sternhauser Posted October 21, 2010 Author Share Posted October 21, 2010 (edited) [quote name='Mr Cat' timestamp='1287644394' post='2181240'] +1 I like the voice I imagine while reading this... Sort of flabbergasted disbelief. [/quote] He's just going to get the response, "So you think there's nothing wrong with being un-Christian, is that it? 'We' should just let it go unaddressed?" ~Sternhauser Edited October 21, 2010 by Sternhauser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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