Cop Arrests Drunk Girl For Bruising His Ego

[Sternhauser]

[quote name='havok579257' timestamp='1287274145' post='2180080']
that was not voilence. restraining someone is not considered violence, most of all how he did it. cause if that's violent, then i guess all us emt's use violence all the time when restaining pts.

please look up the word tackle. cause if you consider that tackling someone...

now your over exageratting things to try and make your point
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Sweeping someone's leg out from under them and taking her to the ground is violent. If an unwashed mundane had done that to a man with a shiny badge, it would be called "assault on a police officer," which is usually called a felony by the State, while it would only be a misdemeanor if the same action were done to a mundane.

~Sternhauser

Edited October 17, 2010 by Sternhauser

[havok579257]

[quote name='Sternhauser' timestamp='1287277228' post='2180088']
Sweeping someone's leg out from under them and taking her to the ground is violent. If an unwashed mundane had done that to a man with a shiny badge, it would be called "assault on a police officer," which is usually called a felony by the State, while it would only be a misdemeanor if the same action were done to a mundane.

~Sternhauser
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well than i guess you must think its unfair for me and winchester to have those same protections. we are both emts/firefighters who work for a fire company. in many states, if a mundane as you call them does such an action against an emt/firefighter then its a felony. so i guess you should get on the emts/firefighters also about the extra so called privliages we have.

[Jesus_lol]

[quote name='havok579257' timestamp='1287279201' post='2180098']
well than i guess you must think its unfair for me and winchester to have those same protections. we are both emts/firefighters who work for a fire company. in many states, if a mundane as you call them does such an action against an emt/firefighter then its a felony. so i guess you should get on the emts/firefighters also about the extra so called privliages we have.
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yeah but the trick is, if you acting as an EMT/firefighter decided to go and tackle someone for no good reason, there would be a recourse against you. not to much with cops.

and before you make some comment about me not getting it, i am also a Firefighter.

[MithLuin]

Mundanes? What is this, the Society of Creative Anachronism? Are police officers playing dress up?



I'm still trying to figure out how public drunkenness is doing nothing wrong. I'm pretty sure there's a Bible verse that says not to get drunk, aside from the cautionary tale of Lot's daughters.

[Sternhauser]

[quote name='MithLuin' timestamp='1287285897' post='2180120']
Mundanes? What is this, the Society of Creative Anachronism? Are police officers playing dress up?[/quote]

Are they playing dress-up? Yes. Every day they put on their +20 amulet of Irreproachability. It's shiny, and it has a number on it. They are the anointed ones. What is always a crime for you or I might very well not a be a crime for them. They are beyond our moral code. Detective "Yes, I Did Pull Out My Pistol, Because I Got Hit With Snowballs" Baylor is but one example.

[quote]I'm still trying to figure out how public drunkenness is doing nothing wrong. I'm pretty sure there's a Bible verse that says not to get drunk, aside from the cautionary tale of Lot's daughters.
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While you're still trying to figure that out, I'm going to try to find out where I said that being drunk is not morally wrong.

~Sternhauser

Edited October 17, 2010 by Sternhauser

[havok579257]

[quote name='Jesus_lol' timestamp='1287284445' post='2180116']
yeah but the trick is, if you acting as an EMT/firefighter decided to go and tackle someone for no good reason, there would be a recourse against you. not to much with cops.

and before you make some comment about me not getting it, i am also a Firefighter.
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yes and how many times are an ems person accused of tackling and restraining a person for no good reason? how many times are people screaming that your unjustly restraining them and you should let them go? i work in an innner city and this happens daily with our 300 call average a day.

[Sternhauser]

[quote name='havok579257' timestamp='1287279201' post='2180098']
well than i guess you must think its unfair for me and winchester to have those same protections. we are both emts/firefighters who work for a fire company. in many states, if a mundane as you call them does such an action against an emt/firefighter then its a felony. so i guess you should get on the emts/firefighters also about the extra so called privliages we have.
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I guess you're right! Unless, of course, you actually are more of a person than other people because you are an EMT?

But then again, your job doesn't entail a monopoly on certain types of violence, so you don't pose nearly as much of a threat as the badge-bedecked Ones.

~Sternhauser

Edited October 17, 2010 by Sternhauser

[havok579257]

[quote name='Sternhauser' timestamp='1287286865' post='2180126']
I guess you're right! Unless, of course, you actually are a better person than other people else because you are an EMT?

But then again, your job doesn't entail a monopoly on certain types of violence, so you don't pose nearly as much of a threat as the badge-bedecked Ones.

~Sternhauser
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oh, so your saying some voilence is ok by people in a position of power, just not ok by police. yeah, that makes sense.

[Sternhauser]

[quote name='havok579257' timestamp='1287287082' post='2180127']
oh, so your saying some voilence is ok by people in a position of power, just not ok by police. yeah, that makes sense.
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Is that what I said? No. I said you pose less of a threat because you don't have a monopoly on certain types of violence. Anyone can legally subdue a violent drunk or a violent tweeker. Not everyone can pull someone over for a broken taillight and TASER him if he refuses to comply with his every whim, and get away with it, to boot.

If you think protecting yourself and others while rendering medical care is "violence by someone in a position of power," you're welcome to think so.

~Sternhauser

Edited October 17, 2010 by Sternhauser

[Norseman82]

[quote name='Sternhauser' timestamp='1287257323' post='2180026']
We have the video of Detective Baylor in D.C. admitting that he pulled a gun out because his SUV got hit with snowballs. A lot of good that did. You know what would have happened if a mere unwashed mundane had done the same.
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I really don't see what that has to do with this case.

[quote name='Sternhauser' timestamp='1287257323' post='2180026']
It is a month old. [/quote]

So?

Are you saying that it is too old or not old enough to be newsworthy? In my experience, these types of videos find their way to a local news media who find it newsworthy, and once it becomes newsworthy there is pressure on the police to take some kind of disciplinary action.

I would like to know what the whole story is and what becomes of it.

[Winchester]

[quote name='Sternhauser' timestamp='1287225310' post='2179951']


I've never had the need to use violence to stop a drunk who was mouthing off, though I've had enough opportunities. Why does a cop feel the need to use violence to stop a drunk who was mouthing off? Violent drunken people, of course, are a different case entirely. That drunk teenibopper was not among the latter group.

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So if a drunk person disturbing the peace does not stop when a cop calls to them, what should be done?

You are under no professional obligation to deal with intoxicated parties. You face no liability if a drunk with whom you interacted later is hurt or hurts someone else. Her apparent inability to keep from shouting obscenities show a lack of control with which the cop must deal. Had she stopped, she would likely have received a warning to be civil and everything would have been done unless she chose to continue her performance elsewhere. She's lucky a cop restrained her. A nice fist from a citizen would have been a lot more damaging.

[Winchester]

[quote name='Norseman82' timestamp='1287289224' post='2180131']
I really don't see what that has to do with this case.


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This is the pattern. Other cases are always brought in. These are based off of news reports.

There will be no mention of the thousands of uneventful police actions. Only news report versions of police actions. We will then all pretend that the problem is the State and not human nature in general and that if we got rid of police and the State, that everyone would live in harmony.

You'll get used to it, but if you're like me you'll still comment once in a while.

poo, I forgot something. You are also supposed to disregard any common sense and pretend that everyone who gets tased was simply not complying with bizarre whims of some power-crazed cop.

Edited October 17, 2010 by Winchester

[MIKolbe]

don't taze me, bro

[Winchester]

don't taze me, bro!

[MichaelFilo]

Edit: Wrong spot! Sorry

Edited October 19, 2010 by MichaelFilo