Obama

[Lilllabettt]

[quote name='Socrates' timestamp='1285721321' post='2176604']
Socialism in all its forms has been soundly condemned by the Church.
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Would you call what they have in Europe socialism? Cuz the Church seems pretty comfortable with what they have ...

[Deb]

[b]what has he done? Let me enlighten you: [/b]

[b][size="2"]November 5, 2008 - Obama selects pro-abortion Rep. [/size][/b][url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat4546.html"][b][size="2"]Rahm Emanuel[/size][/b][/url][b][size="2"] as his White House Chief of Staff. Emanuel has a 0% pro-life voting record according to National Right to Life.[/size][/b][font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][color="#000000"][size="2"]November 19, 2008 - Obama picks pro-abortion former Sen. [/size][url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat4588.html"][size="2"]Tom Daschle[/size][/url][size="2"] as his Health and Human Services Secretary. Daschle has a long pro-abortion voting record according to National Right to Life.[/size][/color][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"]November 20, 2008 - Obama chooses former NARAL legal director [url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat4590.html"]Dawn Johnsen[/url] to serve as a member of his Department of Justice Review Team. Later, [url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat4701.html"]he finalizes[/url] her appointment as the Assistant Attorney General for the Office of the Legal Counsel in the Obama administration.[/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"][b]November 24, 2008 - Obama appoints [url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat4597.html"]Ellen Moran[/url], the former director of the pro-abortion group Emily's List as his White House communications director. Emily's List only supports candidates who favored taxpayer funded abortions and opposed a partial-birth abortion ban.[/b][/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"][b]November 24, 2008 - Obama puts former Emily's List board member [url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat4607.html"]Melody Barnes[/url] in place as his director of the Domestic Policy Council.[/b][/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"][b]November 30, 2008 - Obama named pro-abortion Sen. [url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat4607.html"]Hillary Clinton[/url] as the Secretary of State. Clinton has an unblemished pro-abortion voting record and has supported making unlimited abortions an international right.[/b][/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"]December 10, 2008 - Obama selects pro-abortion former Clinton administration official [url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat4656.html"]Jeanne Lambrew[/url] to become the deputy director of the White House Office of Health Reform. Planned Parenthood is "excited" about the selection.[/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"]December 10, 2008 - Obama transition team [url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat4655.html"]publishes memo[/url] from dozens of pro-abortion groups listing their laundry list of pro-abortions actions they want him to take.

[b]Pro-Abortion Presidential Record - 2009[/b]
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[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"]January 5, 2009 - Obama picks pro-abortion Virginia Gov. [url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat4700.html"]Tim Kaine[/url] as the chairman of the Democratic Party.[/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"]January 6, 2009 - Obama chooses [url="http://www.lifenews.com/bio2685.html"]Thomas Perrelli[/url], the lawyer who represented Terri Schiavo’s husband Michael in his efforts to kill his disabled wife, as the third highest attorney in the Justice Department.[/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"][b]January 22, 2009 - Releases statement restating support for [url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat4774.html"]Roe v. Wade[/url] decision that allowed virtually unlimited abortions and has resulted in at least 50 million abortions since 1973.[/b][/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"][b]January 23, 2009 - Forces taxpayers to fund pro-abortion groups that either promote or perform abortions in other nations. Decison to overturn [url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat4781.html"]Mexico City Policy[/url] sends part of $457 million to pro-abortion organizations.[/b][/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"]January 26, 2009 - Obama nominee for Deputy Secretary of State, [url="http://www.lifenews.com/int1061.html"]James B. Steinberg[/url], tells members of the Senate that taxpayers should be forced to fund abortions. Nominee erroneously says limits on abortion funding are unconstitutional.[/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"]January 29, 2009 - President Obama nominates pro-abortion [url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat4804.html"]David Ogden[/url] as Deputy Attorney General.[/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"][b]February 12, 2009 - Obama nominates pro-abortion [url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat4833.html"]Elena Kagan[/url] to serve as Solicitor General. [/b]

[b]February 27, 2009 - Starts the process of [url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat4865.html"]overturning pro-life conscience protections[/url] President Bush put in place to make sure medical staff and centers are not forced to do abortions.[/b]

[b]February 28, 2009 - Barack Obama nominates pro-abortion [url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat4869.html"]Kathleen Sebelius[/url] to become Secretary of Health and Human Services.[/b][/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"]March 5, 2009 - The Obama administration [url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat4888.html"]shut out pro-life groups[/url] from attending a White House-sponsored health care summit. Planned Parenthood, the nation's largest abortion business, made the invitation list as did other pro-abortion groups.[/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"][b]March 9, 2009 - President Barack Obama signed an executive order [url="http://www.lifenews.com/bio2781.html"]forcing taxpayer funding[/url] of embryonic stem cell research.[/b]

March 10, 2009 - Obama announces the creation of a new foreign policy position to focus on women's issues. He names [url="http://www.lifenews.com/int1115.html"]Melanne Verveer[/url], an abortion advocate, to occupy the post.[/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"][b]March 10, 2009 - [url="http://www.lifenews.com/bio2786.html"]Reverses an executive order[/url] to press for more research into ways of obtaining embryonic stem cells without harming human life. The order Obama scrapped would have promoted new forms of stem cell research.[/b][/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"]March 11, 2009 - Obama signed an executive order establishing a new agency within his administration known as the White House Council on Women and Girls. Obama's director of public liaison at the White House, [url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat4906.html"]Tina Tchen[/url], an abortion advocate, became director of it.

March 11, 2009 - Obama adminitration [url="http://www.lifenews.com/int1118.html"]promotes[/url] an unlimited right to abortion at a United Nations meeting.

March 11, 2009 - Obama administration [url="http://www.lifenews.com/int1120.html"]officials deny[/url] negative effects of abortion at United Nation's meeting.

[b]March 17, 2009 - President Barack Obama makes his first judicial appointment and names pro-abortion federal [url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat4920.html"]Judge David Hamilton[/url] to serve on the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals.[/b]

[b]March 26 - President Obama announced [url="http://www.lifenews.com/int1138.html"]$50 million for the UNFPA[/url], the UN population agency that has been criticized for promoting abortion and working closely with Chinese population control officials who use forced abortions and involuntary sterilizations.[/b][/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"]April 7 [/color][/size][/font][font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"]- The Vatican has rejected three Obama [url="http://www.lifenews.com/int1150.html"]ambassador nominees[/url] because of their positions in favor of abortions.

April 7 - Obama has named pro-abortion law professor [url="http://www.lifenews.com/int1149.html"]Harold Hongju Koh[/url] as the top lawyer for the State Department.

April 7 - Put more abortion advocates on his White House advisory council for [url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat4973.html"]faith-based issues[/url].[/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"]April 8 - Obama nominee for assistant attorney general for legislative affairs, [url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat4977.html"]Ron Weich[/url], is pro-abortion.[/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"][b]April 14 - Obama administration releases document [/b][/color][/size][/font][b][color="#000000"][color="#000000"][color="#000000"][color="#006666"][color="#000000"][url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat4984.html"][font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"]that claims pro-life people may engage in violence or extremism[/size][/font][/url][font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"].[/size][/font][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/b]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"]April 17 - Obama administration [url="http://www.lifenews.com/bio2825.html"]releases the proposed guidelines[/url] that implement his decision to allow taxpayer funding of embryonic stem cell research that involves the destruction of human life.[/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"]April 23 - Refused to appeal a ruling requiring the FDA to allow 17-year-old girls to purchase the morning after pill without either a doctor visit or parental involvement beforehand.[/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"]April 27 - Obama's women's ambassador Melanne Verveer [url="http://www.lifenews.com/int1168.html"]touted[/url] Obama's decision to send $50 million to the United Nation's Population Fund.[/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"][b]May 5 - Details emerge about a terrorism dictionary the administration of President Barack Obama put together in March. The [url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat5019.html"]Domestic Extremism Lexicon[/url] calls pro-life advocates violent and claims they employ racist overtones in engaging in criminal actions.[/b][/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"]May 8 - President Obama releases a new budget that allows the [url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat5036.html"]Legal Services Corporation[/url] to use tax dollars to pay for pro-abortion litigation.[/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"]May 8 - President Obama's new budget calls for [url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat5031.html"]taxpayer funded abortions[/url] in the nation's capital.[/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"][b]May 8 - President [url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat5032.html"]Obama's budget[/url] eliminates all federal funding for abstinence-only education.[/b][/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"]May 15 - Appointed pro-abortion New York City health commissioner [url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat5055.html"]Thomas Frieden[/url] as head of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.[/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"][b]May 17 - During his commencement speech at Notre Dame, Obama deceived listeners into thinking he wants a [url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat5057.html"]conscience clause[/url], [url="http://www.lifenews.com/bio2848.html"]promoted embryonic stem cell research[/url] and [url="http://www.lifenews.com/state4151.html"]misstated[/url] his pro-abortion record.[/b][/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"][b]May 26 - Appoints appeals court judge [url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat5086.html"]Sonia Sonotmayor[/url] as a Supreme Court nominee. Sotomayor agrees that the courts should make policy, such as the Roe v. Wade case. Sotomayor is later opposed by pro-life groups and supported by pro-abortion groups and those who know her say she will support abortion on the high court.[/b][/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"]July 2- [url="http://www.lifenews.com/int1255.html"]Calls for[/url] an unlimited right to abortion at a United Nation's meeting.[/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"]July 7- The Obama administration [url="http://www.lifenews.com/bio2885.html"]admits it ignored[/url] the majority of Americans who opposed the proposed guidelines that would implement Obama's decision to force taxpayers to fund embryonic stem cell research.[/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"]July 14 - Obama science czar nominee [url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat5216.html"]John Holdren[/url] is revealed to have written before that he favors forced abortions.[/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"]July 30 - Awards several pro-abortion activists with the [url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat5301.html"]2009 Presidential Medal of Freedom[/url].[/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"]July 31 - Tells the National Institutes of Health [url="http://www.lifenews.com/bio2904.html"]to adopt rules[/url] that allow embryonic stem cell research.[/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"]August 4 - Information becomes public that [url="http://www.lifenews.com/bio2908.html"]Ezekiel Emanuel[/url], an Obama advisor at the Office of Management and Budget and a member of Federal Council on Comparative Effectiveness Research, supports rationing health care for disabled Americans that could lead to euthanasia.[/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"]August 6 - Obama criticized for asking for people to "[url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat5320.html"]snitch[/url]" on groups and people who oppose the pro-abortion health care bills in Congress.[/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"]August 13 - Obama [url="http://www.lifenews.com/bio2917.html"]wrongly said[/url] a senator backed the pro-euthanasia components of the health care bill.[/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"]August 23 - Said pro-life advocates were making "[url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat5387.html"]phony claims[/url]" about the health care bills. Also said the claims were [url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat5387.html"]false[/url].[/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"]August 24 - Releases veterans guide [url="http://www.lifenews.com/bio2933.html"]promoting euthanasia[/url].[/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"]September 13 - [url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat5450.html"]Misleads[/url] on the federal conscience clause in a health care speech and [url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat5449.html"]misleads[/url] on abortion funding.[/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"]September 13 - Obama [url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat5459.html"]waits two days[/url] to comment on shooting of pro-life advocate whereas he commented immediately on shooting of abortion practitioner.[/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"]September 15 - Senate confirms Obama's new regulatory czar [url="http://www.lifenews.com/bio2957.html"]Cass Sunstein[/url], who is pro-abortion.[/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"]October 5 - Selected pro-abortion lawyer and Georgetown University law professor [url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat5542.html"]Chai Feldblum[/url] for the EEOC.[/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"]October 5 - Anounces he will give the [url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat5541.html"]keynote speech[/url] for pro-abortion group Human Rights Campaign.[/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"]October 19 - Obama's [url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat5578.html"]serve.gov[/url] web site promotes the Planned Parenthood abortion business. [/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"]October 21 - Obama administration [url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat5586.html"]web site promotes[/url] pro-abortion health care bills.[/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"]November 6 - Endorsed the House version of the [url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat5626.html"]health care bill[/url] that, at the time, contained massive abortion funding, rationing and assisted suicide promotion.[/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"]November 26 - Copies [url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat5708.html"]Thanksgiving proclamation[/url] of President Bush but leaves out pro-life message.[/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"]December 2 - [url="http://www.lifenews.com/bio3015.html"]Authorized taxpayer funding[/url] for embryonic stem cell research that kills days-old unborn children.[/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"]December 3 - A pro-abortion Obama judicial pick, [url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat5729.html"]Louis Butler[/url], is approved by the Senate Judiciary Committee.[/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"][b]December 7 - Announces his endorsement of the pro-abortion [url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat5736.html"]Senate health care bill[/url]. [/b][/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"]December 16 - Obama administration forces Americans a second time to spend millions more on [url="http://www.lifenews.com/bio3021.html"]embryonic stem cell research[/url] that destroys human life. [/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"][b]December 17 - Signed a bill that overturned the 13-year-long ban on [url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat5783.html"]funding abortions with tax dollars in the nation's capital[/url].[/b]

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[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"][b]Pro-Abortion Presidential Record - 2010[/b][/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"]January 18, 2010 - Gives speech supporting pro-abortion Senate candidate [url="http://www.lifenews.com/state4733.html"]Martha Coakley[/url].[/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"]January 26, 2010 - Renominates radical pro-abortion activist [url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat5928.html"]Dawn Johnsen[/url] to a top Justice Department position.[/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"]January 28, 2010 - Promotes the pro-abortion health care bill in the [url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat5936.html"]State of the Union address[/url].[/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"]February 2, 2010 - Submits [url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat5952.html"]new budget[/url] calling for taxpayer funding of abortions and more money for Planned Parenthood.[/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"]February 5, 2010 - The Obama administration [url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat5967.html"]issued a new order[/url] for the U.S. military requiring all military hospitals and health centers to stock the morning after pill.[/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"]February 8, 2010 - The Obama administration admitted it [url="http://www.lifenews.com/state4796.html"]improperly conducted a threat assessment[/url] on pro-life groups in Wisconson who were preparing to rally against a new abortion center at a University of Wisconsin health clinic.[/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"][b]February 16, 2010 - [url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat6012.html"]White House visitor logs[/url] reveal Obama has given Planned Parenthood president Cecile Richards frequent access to top staffers.[/b][/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"]February 22, 2010 - Unveils changes to the pro-abortion health care bill that [url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat6028.html"]keep abortion funding[/url], [url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat6032.html"]expand[/url] abortion funding, and require a [url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat6037.html"]monthly abortion fee[/url] on Americans.[/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"]February 24, 2010 - Obama administration proposes [url="http://www.lifenews.com/bio3060.html"]expanding embryonic stem cell research[/url] further.

February 26, 2010 - Obama has selected pro-abortion magistrate judge [url="http://www.lifenews.com/state4848.html"]Timothy Black[/url] for the District Court Bench for the Southern District of Ohio. Black gets the endorsement of NARAL.[/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"]March 3, 2010 - Officially decides to use the controversial [url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat6066.html"]reconciliation[/url] procedure to pass the pro-abortion health care bill over the filibuster rights of those opposed.[/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"][b]March 22, 2010 - [url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat6180.html"]Signs the pro-abortion health care bill[/url] into law that contains massive abortion funding, no conscience protections and rationing.[/b][/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"][b]March 24, 2010 - [url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat6184.html"]Signs executive order[/url] purporting to ban abortion funding that leaves taxpayer funding of abortions in place.[/b][/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"][b]March 26, 2010 - [url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat6200.html"]White House visitor logs[/url] show pro-abortion NARAL activist Nancy Keenan meeting with key Obama staffers frequently and invited to social functions.[/b][/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"]March 29, 2010 - Uses recess appointment to name pro-abortion activist [url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat6201.html"]Chai Feldblum[/url] to the EEOC.[/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"]March 30, 2010 - Signs the [url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat6206.html"]reconciliation health care bill[/url] that does not contain any fixes for the massive abortion funding.

April 6, 2010 - Battle begins over pro-abortion Obama appeals court nominee [url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat6227.html"]Goodwin Liu[/url].[/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"][b]April 7, 2010 - [url="http://www.lifenews.com/int1502.html"]Obama administration pressures Kenya[/url] to adopt a new constitution that would legalize unlimited abortions.[/b][/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"]April 15, 2010 - [url="http://www.lifenews.com/int1511.html"]WHO applauds[/url] Obama administration for promoting abortion worldwide.

May 8, 2010 - Obama's federal budget [url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat5032.html"]eliminates abstinence[/url] education funding. [/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"][b]May 10, 2010 - Names pro-abortion activist [url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat6316.html"]Elena Kagan[/url] to the Supreme Court; she is strongly opposed by [url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat6321.html"]pro-life groups[/url].[/b][/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"]May 26, 2010 - Congressman Chris Smith reports the Obama administration has spent $10 million potentially illegally [url="http://www.lifenews.com/int1555.html"]promoting a pro-abortion constitution in Kenya[/url].[/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"][b]May 27, 2010 - Obama selected [url="http://www.lifenews.com/bio3105.html"]Donald Berwick[/url] to become the director of the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services, the office that oversees government health care programs. Berwick supports the rationing components of the British medical system.[/b][/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"][b]June 17, 2010 - Obama administration, via FDA panel, approves the use of the new [url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat6433.html"]abortion drug ella[/url].[/b][/color][/size][/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][size="2"][color="#000000"]June 23, 2010 - Obama administration approves more federal [url="http://www.lifenews.com/bio3121.html"]taxpayer funding[/url] of embryonic stem cell research.[/color][/size][/font]

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[dairygirl4u2c]

it seems like the attitude has softened against whether a person can vote for obama and be a good catholic.
in past years, it was at least implied that one could not voice that sort of sentiment per 'it's permissible to vote for him', and at least be a good catholic *at phatmass*. even if said people existed, ya didn't see them much.

[Maggyie]

[quote name='Socrates' timestamp='1285721321' post='2176604']
Socialism in all its forms has been soundly condemned by the Church.
[/quote]

The Church condemns the atheistic materialism (and abolishment of private property) of socialism. However, she is OK with big government and re-distribution of wealth. In fact in his last encylical Pope Benedict spoke out against down-sizing welfare systems, reiterated the importance of labor unions, and emphasized the need to protect the environment, all attitudes that are sometimes considered "socialistic."

[dairygirl4u2c]

citing long lists of things only tangently related to what bad obama has done, only hurts the credibility of the person posting.
the only real things you could fault him for are appointing prochoice justices (or more specifically, not voting for prolife explicitly justices or who wnat to overturn roe. i doubt we'll ever figure out whether they are truly prochoice or not, or just following precedent. even roberts and some of the conservatives are not clear on their deference to precedent, but give sentiment that they're following it), and maybe the health and human services people who are proabort.
in fact, the only things the prolife movement can take credit for.... is actually not that much.
'infants born alive' act was passed unanimously and almost with total support from democrats.
'partial birth abortion' act was more of just an ideological victory- the abortions don't stop, they just have to change the way they do them.
'stem cell bans' are nice for a theoretical and theological ban... ie, ya can't do tests on embryos, even though the embryos were already created for in vitro fertilization procedures that never happened. but it doesn't get around the fact that the embryos were being created anyway, and letting to die. you could score one for 'the ends dont justify the means. period.' but as a practical matter, nothing really changed.

what progress has the prolife movement really done, at the federal level?
another long list of tangentally related things doesn't help anyone.

the kenya stuff isn't good, but i also doubt whether they're going to be prolife if it weren't for obama. more likely, that's the way they were already. you could assume this, especially given their general antilife culture, but also cause it's at the stage at least almost of being engrained by a constiuttion. that means the pubklic overwhelmingly supports it already.
you cant just list a bunch of things and then think to yourself 'under teh totality, under length, i must have a case here'. examine each one, take out the croutons, and you wont be left with much.

Edited September 29, 2010 by dairygirl4u2c

[dairygirl4u2c]

[quote name='Maggie' timestamp='1285766172' post='2176695']
The Church condemns the atheistic materialism (and abolishment of private property) of socialism. However, she is OK with big government and re-distribution of wealth. In fact in his last encylical Pope Benedict spoke out against down-sizing welfare systems, reiterated the importance of labor unions, and emphasized the need to protect the environment, all attitudes that are sometimes considered "socialistic."
[/quote]

the CC hasn't condemned 'minimal socialism'. and it's obviously given what hte popes promote, 'access to the earth as a guaranteed right' 'luxury taxes', 'fair wage', 'minimum wage
etc etc, the cahtolic position to be at least minimally socialist. the only way to reconicle 'no one can be a true socilalist' quotes from the popes and the other things, is to say that minmal socialism is okay. you never hear folks like soc address the liberal quotes, the specific things i listed above or their specific content. at best you might hear 'popes are entitled to tehir opinion' etc, except when their opinion coincides with their beliefs, then it's a matter of church doctrine etc.
usually soc goes whimpering away when the liberal stuff from the cc is shown. and there's eerie silences from most of these types of cookie cutter conservatives.
but im suprised he's even now saying things like socialism 'in all its forms' is condemned, etc etc, even after taking all the beatings that he repeatedly does. maybe i shouldnt be surprised, cause he always takes the beatings and never learns, let alone addresses how he deals with them, particularly when the popes are the ones doing the beatings.

[dairygirl4u2c]

plus i doubt hte health and human services appointees are going to cause that much harm. abortion is hte law of the land, the demarcations are set as law. what the executive does isn't gonna amount to much. it might make it a little easier, but i doubt it's gonna cause many if any, or even a few abortions maybe occur that otherwise wouldnt have.

cause then you do have arguments like, 'if people have money they wont commit the abortion'. poverty is a stain in america, it's almost epdemic. many wouldnt abort if it were't for the terrible social policies. then, there's the stat that at least 40000 people die who wouldnt have, if it weren't for our terrible unjust health system. 'letting people die when they were entitled to live' might not be worse than 'directly killing people'. but it's not that far removed as worse. and, 'preventing abortions' may not be as good as banning them, but it's not that far removed. and the numbers on the this side im talkin about are probably much higher, more 'not dying' and more 'prevent the abortion' is probbaly higher than 'ban abortion' 'make it harder at the fedreal level' ever could muster. and given all the other stuff, i dont see much argument that voting prolife candidates is only is the only permissible action.
(and then you have folks like mccain, who himself has said people who vote only prolife, are unintelligent for that move 'otherwise intelligent people'. and going his whole careers supporting it, until it's convenenit to flip flop. he probably would have got conservatives on the bench who'd keep Roe, meaning not much change.

Edited September 29, 2010 by dairygirl4u2c

[dairygirl4u2c]

with all the above said, the qeneral question fo the thread is a little vague.
it's never permissible to support a candidate who's proabort when the reason for the support is due to or part of tehir proabort ideology. a person could support a proabort only if it's despite their proabort positions, *when proportionate reasons exist*, to quote the popes. in princple, then, it's not wrong to support despite proabort, at least sometimes.
in this thread, if the deabte is about 'proportionate reasons', that's a fine point to debate.
and that's what my last few posts have been about.

[Maggyie]

Well regardless, I don't think you can really trust lifesite news anyway. They tend to to distort things unfortunately, which is too bad because we really do need a spotlight shown on what's going on with the life issues. A good example is the VA manual that was given to veterans that supposedly encourages them to kill themselves. The big issue was that the manual had a checklist the veteran was supposed to go through that had boxes for things like "I am a big financial burden to my family" "I am emotionally burdensome" etc. Well, checklists like that are used all the time to determine the patient's state of mind and diagnose clinical depression or PTSD. When I was diagnosed with my GAD I had a form like that to fill out, and they weren't encouraging me to have a nervous breakdown, they wanted to see if I fit the symptoms for GAD, or something else. Maybe it was pro-euthanasia-ish, maybe it was a treatment tool, but we don't know since lifesite doesn't tell us that part. They are always leaving out the context, maybe not on purpose, maybe they are just not interested in it.

Edited September 29, 2010 by Maggie

[dominicansoul]

[quote name='Socrates' timestamp='1285721117' post='2176603']
Aw, of course! Why didn't I think of that?

If Obama hadn't won the presidency, we'd all be starving to death or being killed by various apocalyptic natural disasters a la [i]The Day After Tomorrow, [/i]due to the GOP's evil murderous environmental policies.

Since Obama in his Merciful Benevolence has saved us all from this horrific fate, we shouldn't begrudge that he supports the direct killing of innocent babies.

Gotta put it all in perspective.



All hail Dear Leader!
[/quote]
If McCain woulda won, little babies would still be getting aborted...

McCain was NOT prolife...


Methinks people are kinda silly to believe that republicans are conservatives... they are the lesser of the two evils..but evil nonetheless...

[Winchester]

[quote name='Maggie' timestamp='1285766172' post='2176695']
The Church condemns the atheistic materialism (and abolishment of private property) of socialism. However, she is OK with big government and re-distribution of wealth. In fact in his last encylical Pope Benedict spoke out against down-sizing welfare systems, reiterated the importance of labor unions, and emphasized the need to protect the environment, all attitudes that are sometimes considered "socialistic."
[/quote]
It is fine to us voluntary economic socialism. The government enforcing socialism is not fine. "Big government" is an inexact term that everyone can set aside in this discusion. Re-distribution of wealth by force of law isn't supported by he Church. Protecting the environment is not a "socialist" idea.

Unions are not a socialist entity. Organized labor is no more "socialist" than any other organization. That unions have gotten mixed up in socialism is the government's mistake.

Government welfare systems have proven themselves inadequate.

Edited September 29, 2010 by Winchester

[Maggyie]

[quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1285771259' post='2176722']
It is fine to us voluntary economic socialism. The government enforcing socialism is not fine. "Big government" is an inexact term that everyone can set aside in this discusion. Re-distribution of wealth by force of law isn't supported by he Church. Protecting the environment is not a "socialist" idea.

Unions are not a socialist entity. Organized labor is no more "socialist" than any other organization. That unions have gotten mixed up in socialism is the government's mistake.

Government welfare systems have proven themselves inadequate.
[/quote]

Well re-distribution of wealth by force of law isn't a dogma of the Church. However I think practically speaking she does support government re-distribution. In fact that is what Benedict is referring to by welfare systems - he specifically talks about how budget concerns cause governments to trim their welfare services and how that is a bad thing for the poor, and therefore a bad thing for everybody.

[dairygirl4u2c]

[quote]cause then you do have arguments like, 'if people have money they wont commit the abortion'. poverty is a stain in america, it's almost epdemic. many wouldnt abort if it were't for the terrible social policies. then, there's the stat that at least 40000 people die who wouldnt have, if it weren't for our terrible unjust health system. 'letting people die when they were entitled to live' might not be worse than 'directly killing people'. but it's not that far removed as worse. and, 'preventing abortions' may not be as good as banning them, but it's not that far removed. and the numbers on the this side im talkin about are probably much higher, more 'not dying' and more 'prevent the abortion' is probbaly higher than 'ban abortion' 'make it harder at the fedreal level' ever could muster. and given all the other stuff, i dont see much argument that voting prolife candidates is only is the only permissible action. [/quote]

it's like. A wants the government to save 10000 people from death by lack of health care, and save 5000 people from C killing them through social efforts. B wants the government to stop C from killling five people by direct ban. If the government were to save those people through A's method, it's not like the sin is even on the government for killing those five people. It's C's sin.
What I'm getting at, is Im not clear that it's more virtuous to enact bans on killing, rather than preventing killings or death by other means. Even without the numbers, I'm not sure which is more virtuous. Anyone wanting to get into philsophy here, might be helpful cause it's truly hard for me to the the best approach here.

[Winchester]

[quote name='Maggie' timestamp='1285772112' post='2176723']
Well re-distribution of wealth by force of law isn't a dogma of the Church. However I think practically speaking she does support government re-distribution. In fact that is what Benedict is referring to by welfare systems - he specifically talks about how budget concerns cause governments to trim their welfare services and how that is a bad thing for the poor, and therefore a bad thing for everybody.
[/quote]
You're speaking of "Caritas in veritate?" Could you provide the quote, please? The encyclical is rather long and I haven't the time right now to read it in its entirety. He speaks quite a lot of subsidiarity, which isn't a state welfare system. In fact: "subsidiarity is the most effective antidote against any form of all-encompassing welfare state" (57. Caritas in veritate)

Taking the property of someone else specifically to give it to one deemed more deserving is theft. In very special cases (such as ruled in individual court cases), it seems one may determine that an action was so unjust that wages were, essentially, stolen. But to do this on the scale of a welfare state certainly involves theft.

[Maggyie]

[quote]The global market has stimulated first and foremost, on the part of rich countries, a search for areas in which to outsource production at low cost with a view to reducing the prices of many goods, increasing purchasing power and thus accelerating the rate of development in terms of greater availability of consumer goods for the domestic market. Consequently, the market has prompted new forms of competition between States as they seek to attract foreign businesses to set up production centres, by means of a variety of instruments, including favourable fiscal regimes and deregulation of the labour market. T[b]hese processes have led to a downsizing of social security systems as the price to be paid for seeking greater competitive advantage in the global market, with consequent grave danger for the rights of workers, for fundamental human rights and for the solidarity associated with the traditional forms of the social State[/b]. Systems of social security can lose the capacity to carry out their task, both in emerging countries and in those that were among the earliest to develop, as well as in poor countries. [b]Here budgetary policies, with cuts in social spending often made under pressure from international financial institutions, can leave citizens powerless in the face of old and new risks; [/b] such powerlessness is increased by the lack of effective protection on the part of workers' associations. Through the combination of social and economic change, trade union organizations experience greater difficulty in carrying out their task of representing the interests of workers, partly because Governments, for reasons of economic utility, often limit the freedom or the negotiating capacity of labour unions. Hence traditional networks of solidarity have more and more obstacles to overcome. The repeated calls issued within the Church's social doctrine, beginning with Rerum Novarum[60], for the promotion of workers' associations that can defend their rights must therefore be honoured today even more than in the past, as a prompt and far-sighted response to the urgent need for new forms of cooperation at the international level, as well as the local level.[/quote]

Edited September 29, 2010 by Maggie