SaintOfVirtue Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 [quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1285676788' post='2176420'] In Mother Russia, dead horse beats [i]you[/i]! [/quote] :nocomment: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 [quote name='CatherineM' timestamp='1285631749' post='2176322'] Short answer--no. Long answer--absolutely not. [/quote] [quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1285639778' post='2176364'] Yes, you can be a real Catholic and vote for Obama. Being a moron doesn't make you a fake Catholic. [/quote] Two best answers ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 I just mailed my absentee ballot for the mid-term election. I was especially happy to get to vote against some Florida judges who have become activistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ephrem Augustine Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 not to sound pro obama or anything but what has he done, so far, in his capacity as president to deliberately and publicly support abortion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggyie Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 I don't think he's done anything in particular. Except maybe nominate Supreme Court justices who might turn out to be meh. It's mostly the principle of the thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 Those justices are not "meh." Sotomayor rejects promotion by merit and Kagan rejects the right to self defense. They are both dangerous creatures. Obama is in large part reponsible for the health care plan and granting the government power to require people, under penalty of law, to obtain health insurance. That's a clear violation of government authority, albeit the most recent of many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caritas Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 Obama overturned the Mexico City Policy to send hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars overseas to fund abortions. The judges (and really those in other powerful positions relating to healthcare, like Kathleen Sebelius as the Secretary of Health and Human Services) he appointed all tend to be in favor of abortion, and this is especially important with the Supreme Court. He signed the healthcare bill, which has a ton of abortion funding and has no conscience clause for doctors to opt out of giving abortions. He signed a bill overturning a ban on taxpayer funding of abortions in DC.... etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 [quote name='Ephrem Augustine' timestamp='1285694452' post='2176451'] not to sound pro obama or anything but what has he done, so far, in his capacity as president to deliberately and publicly support abortion? [/quote] Reversed the Mexico City Policy prohibiting federal funding of abortions overseas, and swore to uphold the "women's right to choose" (ie. to kill a baby). Of course, given the rabidly pro-abortion Democratic Congress under Pelosi, it's not like there's any pro-life legislation now for him to veto. [quote name='Maggie' timestamp='1285695651' post='2176461'] I don't think he's done anything in particular. Except [s]maybe[/s] nominate Supreme Court justices who [color="#FF0000"]are pro-abortion[/color]. It's mostly the principle of the thing. [/quote] Fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 [quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1285697116' post='2176473'] Those justices are not "meh." Sotomayor rejects promotion by merit and Kagan rejects the right to self defense. They are both dangerous creatures. Obama is in large part reponsible for the health care plan and granting the government power to require people, under penalty of law, to obtain health insurance. That's a clear violation of government authority, albeit the most recent of many. [/quote] Now, now. Let's not upset the bleeding hearts with the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggyie Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 Well I think they are definitely dangerous creatures from the standpoint of the American constitution. From a purely Catholic perspective I don't think they have done anything wrong... yet. The health care thing is wrong IMO too, but the Church doesn't have any problem with heavy government involvement, or no government involvement, or anything in between as long as it is done justly (no abortion, euthanasia, letting poor people die because they haven't any insurance etc). In fact I think on a practical level, the Church would prefer a single-payer system a la Europe as the preferred healthcare "solution." But we are not required to believe in this or that solution, just in the Social Teaching behind them, and then we can come up with our own solutions (or oppose others) as we see fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 [quote name='Maggie' timestamp='1285698205' post='2176478'] Well I think they are definitely dangerous creatures from the standpoint of the American constitution. From a purely Catholic perspective I don't think they have done anything wrong... yet. [/quote] Clearly, your "Catholic perspective" is different from mine. You don't consider funding of abortion wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggyie Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 [quote name='Socrates' timestamp='1285698622' post='2176480'] Clearly, your "Catholic perspective" is different from mine. You don't consider funding of abortion wrong? [/quote] Yes, it is wrong... however I don't know who to believe about whether the health care bill funds it or not. The Dems are all screaming "nooo it doesn't cover it! Stop lying!" and the GOP is all "your Congressman voted to fund abortion! Vote him out and put our guy in instead." Everybody has a bias, my mind is an ideology-free zone so I like non-biased sources. [url="http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/abortion-which-side-is-fabricating/"]http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/abortion-which-side-is-fabricating/[/url] seems like it has a good non-biased take on it. However it makes it sound like the decision whether to fund or not to fund has not been made yet... like most of the laws it is the faceless bureaucrats who get the final say... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominicansoul Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 ...any person who is for abortion should never be voted into a position of power by a Catholic... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominicansoul Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 most "conservative" candidates are for some type of abortion (In cases of rape, incest, for example.) Not even they are good prospects, and shouldn't be voted for by a Catholic... yes, even sarah palin, who pronounces herself to be pro-life is not fully, 100% pro-life. If you are not 100% pro-life, then you are NOT pro-life... there's no ifs ands or buts...you are either against God or you are with HIM. You can't be for the murder of babies under ANY circumstance... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominicansoul Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 IF all Catholics would vote for the truly pro-life candidates, we can shift the political scene in the country tremendously... ...but alas, we go along with the "lesser of the two evils..." and this, in my humble opinion is NOT pleasing to God... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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