Killing Humans For Scientific Research

[rizz_loves_jesus]

I don't see why people are fighting so vehemently for embryonic stem cell research--there haven't even been any cures found with embryonic stem cells, while lots of cool things have been done with amniotic and cord blood stem cells. Embryonic stem cells aren't the only stem cells, you know.

[Mark of the Cross]

[quote name='jkaands' timestamp='1286726366' post='2178932']
Most people don't equate embryos with post-birth humans. The embryos used in stem-cell research are from IV fertilization adn would be destroyed anyway.

If the US doesn't continue with stem cell research, other countries will, including England, Europe (including many Catholic countries) , Asia--in Singapore, Hong Kong, China, India, Australia, Canada, and probably Mexico. Rich Americans will travel abroad to take advantage of stem cell technology. This has already begun. The poor will stay at home. The rich will receive treatments for dementia, Parkinson's and a variety of diseases, including cancer, linked to genetics. The poor won't. The US will lag farther and farther behind in basic science which will develop out of this technology.

It is said that the Catholic Church protects you before you're born. After that--forget it.
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So do you think that I may as well murder children because if I don't someone else will? Should we stop trying to get nuclear weapons banned because rouge countries will still make them?

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A healthy baby boy was born from an embryo frozen for almost 20 years

[url="http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/national/baby-born-from-embryo-frozen-for-20-years"]ice pop[/url]


experimenting with fate?

[jkaands]

[quote name='Mark of the Cross' timestamp='1286752324' post='2178985']
So do you think that I may as well murder children because if I don't someone else will? Should we stop trying to get nuclear weapons banned because rouge countries will still make them?
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Most people don't equate experimentation on embryos to be the equivalent of the "murder of children". IVF isn't going to go away, and 'spare' embryos are often (not always) created during this procedure. I myself would feel uncomfortable with this, and would fertilize only one egg at a time, but most couples don't do this. The unused embryos are eventually discarded. Embryonic research is one way of using these embryos. It would be preferable to use cell lines derived from other means.

It's "rogue".

[Totally Franciscan]

Evil always masquerades as a good. Thus the argument that there will be cures from this embryonic stem cell research. That is why people buy the argument. Think of the millions of babies used in this horrid experiment gone wrong. God have mercy on us all.

[mcts]

I didn't read the question thuroughly enough and voted for "no" when I would have voted "yes".

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[b]Plot summary - my sister's keeper- [url="http://books.google.com/books?id=e39XTyrRt_wC&printsec=frontcover&dq=my+sister%27s+keeper&source=bl&ots=RMA8jjzk4C&sig=K37pcmfCNhwEBlyDxdbiudff2S0&hl=en&ei=mjDhTP3WNYP-8AbC2pDNDw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=11&ved=0CFsQ6AEwCg#v=onepage&q&f=false"]book link[/url]
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Anna Fitzgerald's older sister, Kate, suffers from cancer of the blood and bone marrow. Anna was conceived in order to harvest her stem cells to use in treatments to help save Kate's life. Although the treatment was initially successful, Kate relapsed; ever since, Anna, the only compatible family member, has been used as a donor for any other bodily substance needed to treat Kate, who continues to swing between remission and relapse as she grows up.

Anna is usually willing to donate whatever Kate needs, but when she is 13, she is told that she will have to donate one of her kidneys. The surgery required for both Kate and Anna would be major; it is not guaranteed to work, as the stress of the operation may well kill Kate anyway; and the loss of a kidney could have a serious impact on Anna's life. Anna petitions for medical emancipation with the help of lawyer Campbell Alexander, so that she will be able to make her own decisions regarding her medical treatment and the donation of her kidney.

Anna's mother, Sara, is an ex-lawyer and decides to represent herself and her husband in the lawsuit. Over the course of the novel, she tries on several occasions to make Anna drop the lawsuit. Anna refuses to do so, but the resulting tension between her and her mother result in her moving out of the house to live with her father Brian in the fire station where he works. This is done on the advice of Julia Romano, the court-appointed guardian ad litem whose job it is to decide what would be best for Anna. Julia was once romantically involved with Campbell when they went to school together, but Campbell broke her heart when he left her. It is eventually revealed he left her because he discovered he had epilepsy and thought she deserved better. They get back together at the end of the book.

Meanwhile, Jesse, who has spent most of his life being ignored in favor of ill Kate or donor Anna, spends most of his time setting fire to abandoned buildings with home-made explosives, using the knowledge that his fire-fighter father gave him to make the fires bigger and fiercer, and doing drugs. He is a self-confessed juvenile delinquent and pyromaniac, and the only time throughout the book that his parents pay him any attention is when Brian discovers that it is Jesse who has been setting the fires. Brian forgives him, and by the end of the book, he has reformed and graduated from the police academy.

During the trial, it is revealed that Kate asked Anna to sue for emancipation because she did not want Anna to have to transplant, and because she believes that she will die anyway. The judge rules in Anna's favor, and grants Campbell medical power of attorney. However, as Campbell drives her home after the trial, their car is hit by an oncoming truck. Brian retrieves Anna, who is unconscious, and suffers an injury to the head, and Campbell, who suffers an injury to the arm, from the wreckage of the crushed car and rushes them to hospital. However, after some time, the doctor informs them that Anna is brain-dead, that the machines keeping her alive may as well be switched off, and asks them if they have considered organ donation. Campbell steps in, and declares that he has the power of attorney, and "there is a girl upstairs who needs that kidney." Kate is prepped for surgery, and Anna's kidney is successfully transplanted. Kate survives the surgery and goes into remission. Most of Anna's usable organs are removed for transplants in the future. Campbell and Julia get married, Kate stays in remission for at least 6 years, while Anna dies for her sister's life.

[b][color="#ff0000"]a human seed is nothing until fertilization.[/color][/b] in my mind there is no difference between Anna Fitzgerald and a embryo.

Edited November 15, 2010 by apparently

[Tally Marx]

[i]"Cutting Through the Spin on Stem Cells and Cloning"

[/i]It is an excellent documentary/talk by Rev. Dr. Tadeuz Pacholczyk.
As a undergraduate, he earned degrees in philosphy, biochemistry, molecular cell biology, and chemistry. He also did laboratory research on hormonal regulation of the immune response. He earned a Ph.D. in Neuroscience from Yale University, where he focused on clonin genes for neurotransmitter transporters which are expressed in the brain. He also worked for five several years as a molecular biologist at Massachusetts general Hospital/Harvard Medical School.
He is an expert.

And according to him as well as many other highly reliable sources, embryonic stem cell research has far less potential than adult stem cell research. No one has ever been cured by embryonic stems cells, but adult stem cells have already been proved to border on the miraculous when it comes to spinalk cord injuries. Does the means justify the end, you ask? I respond, what end? There are much more profitable and ethical paths to explore. Why waste time on embryonic stem cell research?

[Tally Marx]

[quote name='Mark of the Cross' timestamp='1284936778' post='2174719']
I was asked what I thought about the Catholic Churches view on birth control? My reply was that I did not consider it my vocation to tell people that God wants them to have lots of children and watch them die from malnutrition, polluted water and tropical diseases. Nor did I consider it my vocation to tell people that they must live a life of abstinence. [/quote]


The choice is not between untold numbers of children and abstinence!
As I was explaining to my TOB students just last week... there is something called NFP (Natural Family Planning). And it is highly effective.

[Mark of the Cross]

[quote name='Tally Marx' timestamp='1289876950' post='2187366']
The choice is not between untold numbers of children and abstinence!
As I was explaining to my TOB students just last week... there is something called NFP (Natural Family Planning). And it is highly effective.
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In my wife's native country the Philippines, there has been many who have left the CC for other denominations for the reasons that I stated. The number of children in third world families is an indication that family planning is not at all effective. If we are to be really pure about it, then sex should be solely for the purpose of having children. Family planning methods are a form of contraception. Many people have difficulty understanding why some forms of contraception (FP) are acceptable while others are not.

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in order to harvest human embryo stem cells the so-called doctor have to destroy the pre-born human infant.
just because it is legal doesn't make it right or moral