HomeTeamFamily Posted April 20, 2004 Author Share Posted April 20, 2004 dust feel free to move this to debate table if ya want Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philippe Posted April 21, 2004 Share Posted April 21, 2004 dont ferget that there are lots of lifeteens around and like the one at my parish we kneel and stuff but i dunno i do agree with the modesty and the distractions when teens go to the alter for both the rest of the congregation and the teens there becuase you are with all your best friends but also i mean you were talkin about lifeteen kids not goin to masss after and stuff like that well personally i go to lifeteen but i mean i love going to daily mass i see it as the same so i dont want you to stereotype the types of kids that go there and also please dont stereotype the different lifeteen groups around cause some are different then others theres my 2 cents :\ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philippe Posted April 21, 2004 Share Posted April 21, 2004 alright well heres the deal... it depends on your diocese you can get special permission from the Bishop as long as everyone is in a certain area around the altar the reason this must be true is because the Bishop came and did mass and he invited all the teens to gather around the altar with him so i dunno thats what im thinking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP2Iloveyou Posted April 21, 2004 Share Posted April 21, 2004 lifeteener, that's wonderful that you are going to daily Mass. Keep it up! As for your second post about your bishop. He may have had you come up to the altar, but that doesn't make it right. Many other bishops have said that it is against the liturgical law. Clearly, someone in this situation is incorrect. So, we must check what the liturgical law actually says. I think that I have demonstrated it to be quite clear from Canon Law and from the General Instructions, both of which are binding on Catholics. The only group that I know of that has the permission of Rome to gather around the altar at the consecration is the neo-catechumanal way. This permission is only granted by Rome, not by an individual bishop or even by a council of bishops, like the USCCB. It is called an indult. Let me just ask you though, what would be the big deal about remaining in the pews? I've never been in a church before where you can't "see what's going on." Furthermore, at what point do teenagers need to be treated like adults? 18, 19, 20? older? Personally, I kind of like the idea of a Mass geared towards teenagers. I have no problem with P&W music, a homily geared towards that age group, and greater participation from them such as by reading (BTW, NOT lectoring. A lector is a male, usually a seminarian.) God Bless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted April 21, 2004 Share Posted April 21, 2004 Not even a Bishop can change the Mass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted April 21, 2004 Share Posted April 21, 2004 I think Lifeteen has some really good ideas (my old youth director used the lessons for us), but has some things wrong with it. (Sorry for those of ya'll in Lifeteen, I think it's great that ya'll have come to know the Church through it). I'm just going to metion the altar gathering real fast. I'm an Extraordinary Minister and so in many ways I have to learn the rules. At the Masses for our school, the EMs are not allowed to go up to the altar until after the priest has received Communion. It was a new rule added by the Pope in the last year or so specifically so people would not gather around the altar. About people standing around the altar, not even the deacon is supposed to stand. He's supposed to kneel (according to the most recent GIRM). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopeful1 Posted April 21, 2004 Share Posted April 21, 2004 ok, i used to post on the lifeteen website all the time until i found this place (actually, that is where i found out about THIS PLACE!). while i can't speak for everyone for on that board, i can say that from my experience there the majority of these kids obviously go to the life teen services, and many of them do seem to be sincere about their faith and actually WANT to Learn more about the faith, want to live it out past highschool, and want a better understanding about the mass.In fact these kids used to inspire me. I remember going there all the time and seeing posts asking for advice how to keep the faith in college, how to defend the faith in school or make their catholic school more "catholic" ( all you ppl that have been to catholic schools know what i'm talking about), keeping God in their relationships, advice about confession, the eucharist, rosary, ect. I even remember seeing alot of posts asking ppl to pray for them while they were discerning a vocation! obviously i can't speak for everyone that goes to lifeteen, but i think it's unfair to think that lifeteen doesn't help teens mature in their faith, because when you read the posts you can see that it has. (then again, maybe it's just the devout ones that post ). as far as teaching the faith goes, that's what life night's (the youth group) is for, right? ok, maybe not at every meeting but I'm sure it gets in there, somewhere. as far as the alter gathering goes, i can understand some of your objections to it, and i can see how it can be distracting and perhaps disrespectful. I never really looked at it that way until i read this thread. I'm not sure how it works at most services, and probably besides the point, but at my church no one is forced to be on the alter. It's more of an invitation for those who'd like to participate, and the ones who would be disrespectful anyway usually won't go up. on the other hand, we're not a "full fledged" Lifeteen church yet either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philippe Posted April 21, 2004 Share Posted April 21, 2004 o and i was talkin 2 my mom about it and our Church isnt really a Church i mean the actual definition of a Church "the gather of people" is there but its not the actually Church building... were trying to raise funds to build the building so we dont have pews and my mom was saying how they shouldnt have to kneel cause it hurts their knees and how since they have no pews she thinks it makes them unobligated of kneeling even if they are very capable of doing it... i never saw the alter gather as a bad thing before but i dunno i guess im kinda confused but i dont think that since our Church has no pews that we shouldnt have 2 kneel that just isnt right o and if anyone wants to donate for our church we have about 80,000 or 800,000 now im not sure which but we need like 3 million or so and i think its 80,000 so if anyone wants to donate to our funds drive lemme know and ill c what i can do thanks and God Bless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP2Iloveyou Posted April 21, 2004 Share Posted April 21, 2004 GIRM #43 [quote]43 ... [b]In the dioceses of the United States of America, they should kneel beginning after the singing or recitation of the Sanctus until after the Amen of the Eucharistic Prayer, except when prevented on occasion by reasons of health, lack of space, the large number of people present, or some other good reason.[/b] Those who do not kneel ought to make a profound bow when the priest genuflects after the consecration. The faithful kneel after the Agnus Dei unless the Diocesan Bishop determines otherwise[/quote] Basicly, it says unless there is a good reason to not kneel, (the situation you describe might fit the criteria here, I'm not really sure since I'm not at your particular situation) the faithful in the United States should kneel from the Holy, Holy, Holy until the Amen. I have rarely if ever been in a situation where kneeling isn't possible. Even when attending Mass in a gym and sitting on bleachers, it has been my experience that kneeling is possible. Perhaps in your situation it is not. Like I said, I don't know. In any event, here is what the Church actually says and you can interpret it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeTeamFamily Posted April 21, 2004 Author Share Posted April 21, 2004 do those of you that have problems with the mass also have problems with the lifenight portion of Lifeteen? how bout the retreats and whatnot..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted April 21, 2004 Share Posted April 21, 2004 I have no problems with lifeteen as long as they follow the rules like everybody else. In our diocese years ago, some parishes were put in with carpeting and no kneelers. So now they have to kneel on the floor I attended our diocesean youth rally on Palm Sunday. We did not kneel in the bleachers simply because it was not humanly possible. However, those with floor seating, knelt down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oik Posted April 22, 2004 Share Posted April 22, 2004 I agree with what Dust has said, and actually the majority of others. Bottom line: LifeTeen has awesome potential, but right now it is sending some bad vibes out and that is not cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musturde Posted April 26, 2004 Share Posted April 26, 2004 Wouldn't anyone have mentioned the gathering around the alter?(since lifeteen isn't some small thing) Since so many people do it, why hasn't the USCCB said anything about it? There are orthodox Catholic Priests doing lifeteen masses (and not just tiny group either). I agree it seems disrespectful but isn't receiving Eucharist by hand disrespectful also? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musturde Posted April 26, 2004 Share Posted April 26, 2004 I personally am on Cmoms side, although I wanna hear something official about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted April 26, 2004 Share Posted April 26, 2004 If you look in the new document it says parish groups have to conform to all liturgical norms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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