HomeTeamFamily Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 ok my parish back home is a LT parish and we have a message board if yall want to check it out (www.stmarklifeteen.com ....then hit chat at the top and register [its free]), its been kinda slow lately and could use some PM energy......, but anyway one member over there was mentioning how some of the phamily have some objections to LT and i was wondering if there was truth to this and what the whole deal with it was....so if anyone could clear this up thatd be great thanks pham adam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP2Iloveyou Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 I don't think anyone has anything against LT in principle, but many people, myself included, have a HUGE problem with the abuses the integrate into the Mass, such as the alternate ending they use and the infamous "altar gather." If they offer Mass in a way that corresponds to the rubrics as the Church prescribes them, then I say great. If it gets young people excited about their faith, more power to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeTeamFamily Posted April 18, 2004 Author Share Posted April 18, 2004 ok i dont really know how to defend the alter gather but i do know that the priest who says mass for LT had a prob with the ending we used to use because we said it before he officially concluded the mass....so now he concludes the mass properly and then we say the ending thing.....i guess i agreed with the priest unlike many of the teens....again i dont know much about the altar gather but ill see waht i can find...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philippe Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 well ok... by lookin at my name u can see i love lifeteen and im active in lifeteen at my Parish... please everyone do not look down on this program at all I LOVE IT!!! it has led me so close to Christ and im thinking of possibly looking into priesthood or something involving the church. at my parish we do not do the alternate ending but we do the alter gather and i think its really nice that we can do that because it shows unity throughout the teens who attend and we can really see what is going on while the bread and wine are being turned into the body and blood of our Savior Jesus Christ! I love lifeteen and i give them credit for the things they have done! God Bless You All! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeTeamFamily Posted April 18, 2004 Author Share Posted April 18, 2004 im actually wondering what the official complaing against the altar gather is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philippe Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 i dont see the problem either but i think its a really cool thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP2Iloveyou Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 th eproblem with the altar gather is that it is not in the rubrics, and if anything, is forbidden by the rubrics. The Mass is not the personal property of anyone and know one has the right to add or subtract from it. The altar gathering is an addition to the Mass that is not in the rubrics or the General Instruction. I know it probably sounds like legalism, but the rules are there for a purpose. No one other than the priest, any concelebrants, the deacon(s) if there is (are) one (any) and the altar servers are to be around the altar during the Consecration. Actually, even having the altar servers there is pushing it. The problem with it is that it is a rule and we are called to obedience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 the problem that I have with lifeteen is that I don't think that there should be separate Masses for separate groups. It's also why I don't like Children's Liturgy of the Word. If you can't learn to love the Mass in a regular setting, in a regular Mass, why should you have a "special" Mass just for your group? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iacobus Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 The children's mass here is a regular mass except the CCD classes make banners and sing in the choir. There are as many regulars (adults) as there are at the 8AM one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 no, I'm not talking about Children's Mass. I'm talking about where the children are allowed to go get their own "version" of the liturgy of the word, where they are not sitting with the adults. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevenSorrows Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 Another problem with the altar gather, especially during the consecration (eucharist) is that we as Catholics in America MUST kneel during the consecration, and in some dire situations you may make a deep bow. But from what I have seen at lifeteen kids are just standing up there staring off and looking bored and not even realizing a miracle is happening, much less showing the respect to Jesus that he deserves. And yes the other reason is that the altar is sacred because of the miracles performed there along with the true body of Jesus stored in the tabernacle, so only authorized people can be there, such as priests, or ministers, deacons or alter servers during mass. Not to mention liturgical dancing, changing the readings, skipping the homily, playing upapproved music etc. Lifeteen has a good idea, but bad practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeTeamFamily Posted April 18, 2004 Author Share Posted April 18, 2004 lil red....its not a separate mass.....its the same readings and everyone is welcome to come, we dont restrict anyone to come because it is "our" mass.......and sevensorrows.....i dont ever recall a mass where they have skipped the homily or changed the readings...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banksey Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 [quote name='SevenSorrows' date='Apr 18 2004, 11:26 AM'] Another problem with the altar gather, especially during the consecration (eucharist) is that we as Catholics in America MUST kneel during the consecration, and in some dire situations you may make a deep bow. But from what I have seen at lifeteen kids are just standing up there staring off and looking bored and not even realizing a miracle is happening, much less showing the respect to Jesus that he deserves. And yes the other reason is that the altar is sacred because of the miracles performed there along with the true body of Jesus stored in the tabernacle, so only authorized people can be there, such as priests, or ministers, deacons or alter servers during mass. Not to mention liturgical dancing, changing the readings, skipping the homily, playing upapproved music etc. Lifeteen has a good idea, but bad practice. [/quote] that may be true. but at my parish we do kneel. and are you saying the teens are not sacred enough to be on the altar. if anything the teens are more sacred than the priests and deacons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philippe Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 [quote name='SevenSorrows' date='Apr 18 2004, 11:26 AM'] Another problem with the altar gather, especially during the consecration (eucharist) is that we as Catholics in America MUST kneel during the consecration, and in some dire situations you may make a deep bow. But from what I have seen at lifeteen kids are just standing up there staring off and looking bored and not even realizing a miracle is happening, much less showing the respect to Jesus that he deserves. And yes the other reason is that the altar is sacred because of the miracles performed there along with the true body of Jesus stored in the tabernacle, so only authorized people can be there, such as priests, or ministers, deacons or alter servers during mass. Not to mention liturgical dancing, changing the readings, skipping the homily, playing upapproved music etc. Lifeteen has a good idea, but bad practice. [/quote] we do kneel and we dont change the readings or the homilies everything is there and everyone is welcome we just call it a lifeteen mass because we have our own lifeteen band who plays the music which is all Catholic music which honestly really gets the teens more into the Mass (and i can go to regular mass... i did every day for lent and i appreciated it just as much) but it gets teens more eager to get to mass... also liturgical dancing? we do everything of a regular mass except for the altar gather and more upbeat music its a great program and it has led me and a lot of other teens back to the Church Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP2Iloveyou Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 more upbeat music is fine. I have no problem with it personally. I also don't have a problem with a "separate Mass" for teenagers and young people. If it gets people closer to Christ, I say so much the better. I do have a problem though with blatantly violating the rubrics of the Mass. It's right there in the General Instruction of the Roman Missal (GIRM). No one is to be in the sanctuary except the priest and ministers. This includes concelebrants, deacon(s), and altar servers. No one else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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