C Martel Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 Do you think the changes of Vatican II were overall good for the Church or have they caused harm to the Church? I think there are good arguments to both sides but I'm going to go with harm to the Church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 Vatican II was good for the church. The misimplementation of Vatican II was bad for the church. Yes, I just now made that word up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 Vatican II is good seen through the eyes of Tradition, but seen as a super dogma a from zero starting point very very bad (as would any council). Vatican II good, the 'spirit of Vatican II' bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 Every council brings 40-50 years of grief as things get sorted out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 It was needed and timely, unfortunately it wasn't used in the best way, so it became divisive. It is still seen that way, as a divide that Catholics have to be on one side of or the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Martel Posted September 2, 2010 Author Share Posted September 2, 2010 [quote name='dUSt' timestamp='1283390538' post='2166718'] Vatican II was good for the church. The misimplementation of Vatican II was bad for the church. Yes, I just now made that word up. [/quote] Misimplementation- I like it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AccountDeleted Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 [quote name='dUSt' timestamp='1283390538' post='2166718'] Vatican II was good for the church. The misimplementation of Vatican II was bad for the church. Yes, I just now made that word up. [/quote] What dUSt says...... The Holy Father (when he was Prefect for the Doctrine of the Faith) has spoken about Vat II on many occasions, and this is basically how he feels too...... he also talked about how there is always a time of upheaval after a council. Read 'God and the World' by Peter Seewald (interview with Cardinal Ratzinger) 'Salt of the Earth: The Church at the End of the Millenium' ' by Peter Seewald (interview with Cardinal Ratzinger) 'Exclusive Interview on the State of the Church' by Vittoria Messori (interview with Cardinal Ratzinger) 'Ratzinger Report 'by Vittoria Messori (interview with Cardinal Ratzinger) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luigi Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 Good for the Church, in many ways. Imperfect implementation? Yes, and not really to be wondered at. BTW, The Word Nerd approves of 'misimplementation' as a neologism. Anyone care to translate it into Latin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' timestamp='1283392809' post='2166729'] Every council brings 40-50 years of grief as things get sorted out. [/quote] She's seen most of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePenciledOne Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 Ultimately it was good for the Church. Of course new councils are going to have a rough start, since obviously those that conduct the new practices and traditions are not perfect either. So, I have to say it was great for the Church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
un.privileged Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 I think, if understood correctly, it is good for the Church. My problem with Vatican II is not of its teachings. It's its ambiguity, that creates a split between indifferentists and schismatic traditionalists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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