"9/11 Happened To Us All" Adverts

[Laudate_Dominum]

[url="http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20100901/pl_yblog_upshot/muslim-americans-launch-pr-initiaive-promote-911-as-day-of-national-service"]Muslim-Americans launch PR initiatives, promote Sept. 11 as day of national service[/url]

Here are a couple of the CAIR ads.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVtup1bB7aM[/media]

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mU5W-iUv8fg[/media]

Some relevant links.

[url="http://www.cair.com/home.aspx"]Council on American-Islamic Relations[/url]

[url="http://www.cordobainitiative.org/"]Cordoba Initiative[/url]

[url="http://caelumetterra.wordpress.com/2010/08/26/common-sense-and-the-cordoba-initiative/"]Common Sense and the Cordoba Initiative[/url]

[Laudate_Dominum]

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhOi5gRkK0M[/media]

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0w03tJ3IkrM[/media]

[Selah]

I like them.

[Fragments]

I think they could stop a lot of fights breaking out.

[Mark of the Cross]

Replace the word 'American' with 'Human' and it's pretty much the message that someone gave us 2k years ago. There is only one God, one Paradise and we are all just one people. Also the last guy also needs a lecture in littering, the greens are a minor party too!

It's happening again

[b][url="http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/1272727/Dutch-anti-Islam-party-set-to-double-at-election"]Dutch anti-Islam party set to double at election[/url][/b]

Won't we ever learn. Edited September 2, 2010 by Mark of the Cross

[Sternhauser]

"9/11 happened to us all?"

The attack on September 11th wasn't aimed at me. It didn't "happen" to me. It happened to a bunch of New Yorkers. A bunch of people shot down over Pennsylvania. Some people in the Pentagon. I am not those people. I am a member of society, and so are they. But I was not attacked. I am not a part of a collective with an individuality, rights, a mind, a will, or responsibility.

This ad campaign is a shameless, emotional push toward irrational nationalism. A subtle, and likely deliberate attempt at dulling any sense of the individual, and a glorification of the "collective will." "We" do not fight wars. Individuals do. When someone says, "We Catholics love the Pope," does that mean that a collective, as an entity in itself, loves the Pope, or does it not rather mean that the individuals who are Catholics have an individual love of the Pope?

This ad campaign is softening you up.

So you will be putty in their hands.

So that when those who stand to profit from war start the next one, you will believe their "reasons." Because politicians have always been the most selfless, the most philanthropic, the most humanitarian-minded people on the face of the earth. Reason screams "that's obviously not true!"

But when emotion takes over, it's not the [i]politicians [/i]sending troops thousands of miles away to "protect the Nation." No, it's [i]"us[/i][i]!" [/i]We!

[img]http://www.mainemaritimemuseum.org/uploads/rich_text_editor/orlop/orlop15/15maineurn.JPG[/img]

[img]http://www.futureofthebook.org/blog/archives/wwi-propaganda-kong-sm.jpg[/img]

[img]http://sas.guidespot.com/bundles/guides_0d/assets/widget_dawLYXRZve2itbGymraEeZ.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.findingdulcinea.com/docroot/dulcinea/fd_images/news/on-this-day/July-August-08/On-this-Day--False-Claims-of-Attack-Lead-Congress-to-Authorize-Vietnam-War/news/0/image.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.rolfkenneth.no/002b%20Nurse%20Nayirah.jpg[/img]

Reality: the [i]politicians[/i] are always the ones who decide who the soldiers kill, thousands of miles away. And their reasons are not your reasons.

What will they come up for you to believe next?


~Sternhauser

Edited September 2, 2010 by Sternhauser

[Selah]

Dobby's Sock!

[Mark of the Cross]

[quote name='Selah' timestamp='1283396714' post='2166766']
Dobby's Sock!
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Do you mean mismatch? Which? Being Catholic and an event that killed and maimed people and left relatives and friends to bereave did not affect or concern you.
Or being a member of the free world and not seeing an assault by evil on the free world as not an affront to you personally.
Never mind Selah, I understand your confusion, so I'm pretty sure Jesus does also.

[Selah]

No, I just meant...Dobby's sock


(Yes, by the way, but I found the post to be so utterly hurtful and confusing I couldn't put it into words. Thus, "Dobby's Sock".)

Edited September 2, 2010 by Selah

[morostheos]

What I understood the "9/11 happened to us all" ads to mean is that 9/11 effected people from all different backgrounds in NYC, including Muslims. Not that 9/11 happened to everyone in the USA.

[Selah]

IwillnotsaywhatIamthinkingIwillnotsaywhatIamthinkingIwillnotsaywhatIamthinkingIwillnotsaywhatIamthinking

[HisChildForever]

Plenty of Muslims are wonderful and compassionate people. Unfortunately, that does not change the nature of Islam.

I would also place no trust in CAIR.

[quote]The FBI is severing its once-close ties with the nation's largest Muslim advocacy group, the Council on American-Islamic Relations, amid mounting evidence that it has links to a support network for Hamas.

All local chapters of CAIR have been shunned in the wake of a 15-year FBI investigation that culminated with the conviction in December of Hamas fundraisers at a trial where CAIR itself was listed as an unindicted co-conspirator.[/quote]

The full article can be read [url="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/01/30/fbi-cuts-ties-cair-following-terror-financing-trial/"]here[/url].

[Mark of the Cross]

[quote name='HisChildForever' timestamp='1283474412' post='2167274']


The full article can be read [url="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/01/30/fbi-cuts-ties-cair-following-terror-financing-trial/"]here[/url].
[/quote]
It's dated 30 Jan 2009. I'm sure there are some more recent media accusations.

[quote]I would also place no trust in CAIR[/quote]
Does your country allow tax deductible donations to untrustworthy organisations? Or allow them to advertise that they are tax deductible when they are not? The CAIR site advertises that donations are tax deductible. This would be illegal in my country if there was evidence of an organisation being supportive to an extremist organisation and an investigation were current.

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='Mark of the Cross' timestamp='1283479493' post='2167314']
It's dated 30 Jan 2009. I'm sure there are some more recent media accusations.[/quote]

Media accusations? What does the Federal Bureau of Investigation's decision to sever ties with CAIR based on the findings of a 15-year investigation have to do with media accusations?

[quote]Does your country allow tax deductible donations to untrustworthy organisations? Or allow them to advertise that they are tax deductible when they are not? The CAIR site advertises that donations are tax deductible. This would be illegal in my country if there was evidence of an organisation being supportive to an extremist organisation and an investigation were current.
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You are completely free to believe whatever CAIR posts on their website.

[HisChildForever]

If anyone is interested in reading more about CAIR and in particular the Holy Land Terror Trial, please click [url="http://www.aim.org/guest-column/fbi-severs-cair-ties-groups-credibility-takes-a-hit-from-holy-land-terror-t/"]here[/url].

[quote]
The Investigative Project on Terrorism, a research organization headed by Steven Emerson, has published on its web site a letter sent in October from James. E. Finch, special agent in charge of the bureau’s Oklahoma operations, to local Muslims stating that the FBI would not take part in a local outreach conference because of CAIR’s participation. An FBI official in Washington told Fox News last month that the agency has directed FBI field offices across the country to cut ties with local affiliates of CAIR.

According to the Investigative Project, the decision to end contacts with CAIR was made quietly last summer while federal prosecutors prepared for the federal retrial in Dallas of the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development on charges of financing the terrorist organization Hamas. In October 2007, a federal judge in Dallas had declared a mistrial on most counts in in the U.S. government’s first attempt to prosecute the Holy Land Foundation. But in the retrial, foundation officials didn’t fare so well: On November 24, 2008, five former leaders of the Dallas-based charity were convicted of providing more than $12 million to the terrorist group Hamas. The men – Shukri Abu Baker, Ghassan Elashi, Mohamed el-Mazain, Mufid Abdulqader and Abdelrahman Odeh – face up to 20 years in prison for their convictions on charges which include conspiring to provide material support to terrorists.
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A couple rather disturbing snippets:

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CAIR was listed as an unindicted co-conspirator in the Holy Land Foundation case, and testimony showed that its founder, Omar Ahmad, and its current executive director and co-founder, Nihad Awad, both participated in the Philadelphia meeting. Additional evidence produced at the trial illustrated the links between CAIR, Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood, a global Sunni Muslim movement that seeks to spread Shariah around the world.
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[quote]
In a November 1994 interview with Mike Wallace of CBS Television’s 60 Minutes, Awad [CAIR co-founder] defended Hamas’ use of “armed resistance” (violence, including terrorism) against Israel. Since that time, numerous other CAIR officials have made statements defending Hezbollah and Hamas and denouncing the U.S. government for designating them as terrorist organizations
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