For All Tlm Attendees Here: Do You Ever Meet Extremists?

[Dave]

Of those who attend the Extraordinary Form Mass, even if only occasionally, do you ever come in contact with fellow attendees who have SSPX-ish mentalities? What I mean by that is those who truly [b]hate [/b]the Ordinary Form regardless of the level of reverence (even those you'd see on EWTN), will miss Mass on Sundays and holy days if they can't attend the EF, think Vatican II teaches error, have nothing good to say about Pope John Paul II, consider Archbishop Lefebvre the best thing since sliced bread and condone his disobedience, believe anyone who disagrees with them on these or other points are "modernists," etc. At my EF parish the number of folks I've met who fit that description are a very small minority (I could count them on my fingers), and fortunately they don't try and make waves. But I've wondered how it is at other approved EF venues, be they FSSP, ICRSS, diocesan, etc.

By the way, if this would be better suited for the Debate Table, then moderators, feel free to move it.

Edited August 25, 2010 by Dave

[KnightofChrist]

I've never meet any such Extremists at any Traditional Latin Mass I've attended.

[Sojourner]

I don't know how many TLM attendees are still posting here regularly, Dave, so I'm not sure what kind of response you'll get.

I don't currently attend a TLM regularly, but I did off and on when I lived in Indianapolis (I lived walking distance from an FSSP parish). The vast majority of people I met there were faithful, orthodox Catholics, who were very well-informed about their faith. I didn't know any extremists, or hear rumors of any.

[goldenchild17]

[quote name='Dave' timestamp='1282710616' post='2162802']
Of those who attend the Extraordinary Form Mass, even if only occasionally, do you ever come in contact with fellow attendees who have SSPX-ish mentalities? What I mean by that is those who truly [b]hate [/b]the Ordinary Form regardless of the level of reverence (even those you'd see on EWTN), will miss Mass on Sundays and holy days if they can't attend the EF, think Vatican II teaches error, have nothing good to say about Pope John Paul II, consider Archbishop Lefebvre the best thing since sliced bread and condone his disobedience, believe anyone who disagrees with them on these or other points are "modernists," etc. At my EF parish the number of folks I've met who fit that description are a very small minority (I could count them on my fingers), and fortunately they don't try and make waves. But I've wondered how it is at other approved EF venues, be they FSSP, ICRSS, diocesan, etc.

By the way, if this would be better suited for the Debate Table, then moderators, feel free to move it.
[/quote]

I don't know how frequent it is. But I'd say yes one does come across them from time to time. My family was introduced to the SSPX and then soon sedevacantism through some people who we met at an FSSP Mass we used to attend. I don't think its a particularly high number of such people, but yeah it happens

Edited August 25, 2010 by goldenchild17

[dominicansoul]

I've met extremists who detest the novus ordo and miss Mass on Sundays 'cos they can't get to a Latin Mass, and what is sad is they think they can miss Mass and are righteous for doing so...

I've met extremists who detest the Extraordinary Form and think Mass is something they can mold and form into their own image...as if they themselves were crucified and rose from the dead...

I've played the organ since I was 7 years old for God at Holy Mass, and I've met both kinds of catholics...I've tried with all my heart to be pleasing only to the Lord, as I am serving Him...there was always demands made on what music to play, not too traditional, some modernistic contemporary, only traditional, etc. etc. etc. Sometimes I felt as if I was in the middle of a tug of war between two opposing religions... It has been quite a struggle and many times I saw the devil in it all...

Extremism is an illness in the Church, and needs to be rooted out... we need balance, as She is neither right nor left, but well balanced...

[KnightofChrist]

I don't see how this thread is productive. It appears we're being asked to judge individuals, not the extremism itself.

This thread should be closed now before it becomes a haven of uncharity.

Edited August 25, 2010 by KnightofChrist

[HisChildForever]

I went to the TLM last Sunday for the first time (and will be attending again this Sunday). I had a very positive experience all around. No parishioners approached me, although during collection time I got a couple of smiles - most likely because I was a new face.

[Dave]

[quote name='dominicansoul' timestamp='1282711733' post='2162817']
Extremism is an illness in the Church, and needs to be rooted out... we need balance, as She is neither right nor left, but well balanced...
[/quote]

Darn tootin'!

[Nihil Obstat]

I met a very odd person once, but not disobedient to the Church as far as I could ascertain.

[goldenchild17]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' timestamp='1282712046' post='2162820']
I don't see how this thread is productive. It appears where being asked to judge individuals, not the extremism itself.

This thread should be closed now before it becomes a haven of uncharity.
[/quote]

I think it could very easily get out of hand. But as is now I don't think its out of line. It isn't so much judging a person so much as inquiring about what one might or does encounter at an FSSP or other licit traditional Mass. I think its a valid question if one is concerned about being bombarded with their arguments. Especially concerning my own experience, I don't think my family would have been as likely to have taken the path that it did if we hadn't come across such a mindset. At least that's how I understood the question. And no, I don't think one should refrain from attending a traditional Mass simply because some people like this might attend there, but just noting their existence. But I understand if it should be closed also.

Edited August 25, 2010 by goldenchild17

[Dave]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' timestamp='1282712046' post='2162820']
I don't see how this thread is productive. It appears where being asked to judge individuals, not the extremism itself.

This thread should be closed now before it becomes a haven of uncharity.
[/quote]

No one is judging individuals here. This is just an issue that concerns me, as I've known Catholics who were completely turned off to the Latin Mass after coming in contact with individuals who had such attitudes, as well as potential converts who were turned off to the Church after meeting people who believed that way. It's sad that that would be enough to turn Catholics away from the EF or Protestants away from Catholicism, and I'm not saying that it would be a good reason to avoid the EF or the Catholic Church, but hey, it happens. Heck, it almost happened to me!

Edited August 25, 2010 by Dave

[KnightofChrist]

I just question what would happen, if a person who attended the TLM asked the same or a similar questions about extremist individuals that attended the Novus Ordo.

If this is truly about actions not individuals fine, but the OP seems more focused on individuals as it is worded currently.

Edited August 25, 2010 by KnightofChrist

[Paddington]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1282712298' post='2162824']
I met a very odd person once, but not disobedient to the Church as far as I could ascertain.
[/quote]

Cool story, bro.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Paddington' timestamp='1282713053' post='2162831']
Cool story, bro.
[/quote]
I thought so.

[Paddington]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1282713072' post='2162832']
I thought so.
[/quote]

It did hit the spot.