cmotherofpirl Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 [quote name='Inquisitor Generalis' date='Feb 15 2006, 02:44 AM']Absolutely. Remember, the question is, "How would most Catholics have reacted to the charismatic movement before Vatican II?" [right][snapback]887988[/snapback][/right] [/quote] You really can't ask they particular question because you can't rearrange history. You can only guess, and color it by your preconceived notions. My mom, was born in 1913, and a steel-spined irish-catholic school teacher, was thrilled with the new mass, and the feeling God was actually back in church. She was definitely not a holy-roller pentecostal. My cousin, born in 1915 and a latin teacher, felt the same way. Vatican II started a tremendous outpouring of the Holy Spirit on the Church. Did many aspects get carried too far, by well-meaning and over-enthusiastic people? of course. Does that condemn it? Absolutely not. It takes 40-50 years for the results of a council to fiddler out. That is occurring now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 [quote name='Inquisitor Generalis' date='Feb 14 2006, 02:47 PM']This is not happening through the charismatic movement. The charismatics came from the Pentecostal heresy. [right][snapback]887373[/snapback][/right] [/quote] 1) Have you ever considered that the charismatic movement might be the vehicle to bring the "heretical" Pentecostals back home to the fullness of truth in Rome? 2) What is your educational background? Are you clergy? Student? If so, where? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jezic Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 as a note, i don't think we should start saying what JPII will answer for. Let God be the judge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Era Might Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 [quote name='Norseman82' date='Feb 16 2006, 01:44 PM']1) Have you ever considered that the charismatic movement might be the vehicle to bring the "heretical" Pentecostals back home to the fullness of truth in Rome? [right][snapback]889255[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Very true. "Baptizing" non-Catholic traditions and ideas is nothing new. If the Charismatic movement is anathema because it was born in Protestant communities, how much more so is scholasticism anathema because it was born in Pagan philosophy? At least Protestantism is Christian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Generalis Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 [quote name='Norseman82' date='Feb 16 2006, 11:44 AM']1) Have you ever considered that the charismatic movement might be the vehicle to bring the "heretical" Pentecostals back home to the fullness of truth in Rome? 2) What is your educational background? Are you clergy? Student? If so, where? [right][snapback]889255[/snapback][/right] [/quote] 1. I have considered #1; however, I don't think it's the right approach to reaching Pentecostals. 2. I have a master's degree from a Big 10 business school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Generalis Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 [quote name='jezic' date='Feb 16 2006, 11:47 AM']as a note, i don't think we should start saying what JPII will answer for. Let God be the judge. [right][snapback]889257[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Allowing God to be the judge is what is implied when I said JPII will have a lot to answer for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scardella Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 It's scardella, please spell it correctly. BTW, is all this [i]sensus catholicus[/i] stuff the same as [i]sensus fidei[/i]? Also I think the education question was getting more at your theological background. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Generalis Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Feb 16 2006, 10:19 AM']Vatican II started a tremendous outpouring of the Holy Spirit on the Church. [/quote] I think it was Pope Paul VI, of unpleasant memory, who said that the smoke of Satan had entered the Church... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Era Might Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 [quote name='Inquisitor Generalis' date='Feb 16 2006, 02:38 PM']I think it was Pope Paul VI, of unpleasant memory, who said that the smoke of Satan had entered the Church... [right][snapback]889294[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Perhaps he came disguised as the schismatic Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, "of really unpleasant memory"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Generalis Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 [quote name='Era Might' date='Feb 16 2006, 12:44 PM']Perhaps he came disguised as the schismatic Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, "of really unpleasant memory"? [right][snapback]889298[/snapback][/right] [/quote] The saintly Abp. Marcel Lefebvre, of blessed memory, had nothing to do w/Paul VI's "smoke of Satan" comment and you know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Era Might Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 [quote name='Inquisitor Generalis' date='Feb 16 2006, 03:00 PM']The saintly Abp. Marcel Lefebvre, of blessed memory, had nothing to do w/Paul VI's "smoke of Satan" comment and you know it. [right][snapback]889317[/snapback][/right] [/quote] And your "of unpleasent memory" addendum had nothing to do with anything in this thread and you know it. Pope Paul VI had one thing over Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre. He wasn't an excommunicated schismatic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Generalis Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 (edited) [quote name='Era Might' date='Feb 16 2006, 01:04 PM']Pope Paul VI had one thing over Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre. He wasn't an excommunicated schismatic. [right][snapback]889323[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Pope Paul VI will still have to answer for his disastrous Papacy. Dante put a number of popes and bishops in his [i]Inferno[/i]. I shudder to think where he would have put Paul VI and JPII if he were writing that poem today. Edited February 16, 2006 by Inquisitor Generalis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Era Might Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 [quote name='Inquisitor Generalis' date='Feb 16 2006, 03:14 PM']Pope Paul VI will still have to answer for his disastrous Papacy. Dante put a number of popes and bishops in his [i]Inferno[/i]. I shudder to think where he would have put Paul VI and JPII if he were writing that poem today. [right][snapback]889334[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I shudder even worse to think where he would put Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre today, who will have to answer for his disastrous excommunication and his disastrous schism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Generalis Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 [quote name='Era Might' date='Feb 16 2006, 01:16 PM']I shudder even worse to think where he would put Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre today, who will have to answer for his disastrous excommunication and his disastrous schism. [right][snapback]889335[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Frankly, I'm betting The Archbishop would fare far better than either of the aforementioned Popes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Era Might Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 [quote name='Inquisitor Generalis' date='Feb 16 2006, 03:18 PM']Frankly, I'm betting The Archbishop would fare far better than either of the aforementioned Popes. [right][snapback]889337[/snapback][/right] [/quote] The aforementioned Popes were not excommunicated or schismatic. Just in case anyone is unawares, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre was an excommunicated schismatic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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