Gnostic Gospels?

[Marie-Bernard]

As I recall the Gospel of Thomas is similar to the Synoptic Gospels. Gnosticism was the first heresy to develop so it's enlightening to read them just for the historical perspective.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='Marie-Bernard' timestamp='1281973003' post='2158172']
As I recall the Gospel of Thomas is similar to the Synoptic Gospels. Gnosticism was the first heresy to develop so it's enlightening to read them just for the historical perspective.
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i would say, only if you are grounded in your faith.

[Nihil Obstat]

It would be kewl to read it while simultaneously reading the Fathers' writings against the Gnostics. Like Irenaeus' Adversus Haereses.

[dominicansoul]

[quote name='MIkolbe' timestamp='1281972309' post='2158162']
knowledge of God cannot be learned...it can only be revealed.
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[Winchester]

I'm fairly certain gnosticism preceeded Christianity.

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='MIkolbe' timestamp='1281972309' post='2158162']
knowledge of God cannot be learned...it can only be revealed.
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"The same Holy Mother Church holds and teaches that God, the beginning and end of all things, can be known with certitude by the natural light of human reason from created things."

[Marie-Bernard]

[quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1281973203' post='2158177']
i would say, only if you are grounded in your faith.
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If you're not well grounded you'll end up like Madame Blavatsky.
Wait, she conducted seances, she must have been grounded.
Don't be grounded, DON"T BE GROUNDED!!!

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Resurrexi' timestamp='1281975977' post='2158209']
"The same Holy Mother Church holds and teaches that God, the beginning and end of all things, can be known with certitude by the natural light of human reason from created things."
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First that doesn't mean each and every person does discern the existance of God, it means its possible. Most humans believe in a higher power of sorts.
BUT the god you can discern from nature around you is not necessarily God Almighty of the Old or New Testament. Until the jews introduced linear time, most people believed in many gods with one in charge and of the great wheel/ reincarnation as ruling existance.

[Catholictothecore]

ok, that was just weird.

[MIKolbe]

[quote name='MIkolbe' timestamp='1281972309' post='2158162']
knowledge of God cannot be learned...it can only be revealed.
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[quote name='Resurrexi' timestamp='1281975977' post='2158209']
"The same Holy Mother Church holds and teaches that God, the beginning and end of all things, can be known with certitude by the natural light of human reason from created things."
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I'm going with the Easterner on this one...

sry.

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' timestamp='1281977887' post='2158221']
First that doesn't mean each and every person does discern the existance of God, it means its possible. Most humans believe in a higher power of sorts.
BUT the god you can discern from nature around you is not necessarily God Almighty of the Old or New Testament. Until the jews introduced linear time, most people believed in many gods with one in charge and of the great wheel/ reincarnation as ruling existance.
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I was disputing the comment that the things of God cannot be learned.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='MIkolbe' timestamp='1281972309' post='2158162']
knowledge of God cannot be learned...it can only be revealed.
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[quote name='Resurrexi' timestamp='1281975977' post='2158209']
"The same Holy Mother Church holds and teaches that God, the beginning and end of all things, can be known with certitude by the natural light of human reason from created things."
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Couldn't it be said that God can be known by human reason by virtue of the fact that He has chosen to reveal Himself in created things?

[MIKolbe]

you'd have to ask Apoth.. i am not nearly smart enough to answer that....

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='MIkolbe' timestamp='1281980907' post='2158249']
you'd have to ask Apoth.. i am not nearly smart enough to answer that....
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Sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1281980614' post='2158240']
Couldn't it be said that God can be known by human reason by virtue of the fact that He has chosen to reveal Himself in created things?
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Perhaps, but, since Apotheoun in the past has stated that one cannot know God through reason (if I am incorrect about this, he can correct me), I do not think that is what he means when he says that.