Resurrexi Posted August 9, 2010 Share Posted August 9, 2010 [quote name='HisChildForever' date='08 August 2010 - 07:21 PM' timestamp='1281313285' post='2154354'] The above was only a fragment of my question anyway and in the end is of lesser importance to my other questions. Are guardian angels outside of time like God is, or are they inside of time because they hang around their human charge? Etc. [/quote] If I am not mistaken, angels exist in aeviternity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted August 9, 2010 Share Posted August 9, 2010 As they exist in Heaven, I would say that they, along with the rest of the saints, are outside of our understanding of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted August 9, 2010 Author Share Posted August 9, 2010 So then how do they perceive our day to day activities? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tally Marx Posted August 9, 2010 Share Posted August 9, 2010 [quote name='HisChildForever' date='08 August 2010 - 07:30 PM' timestamp='1281313844' post='2154367'] So then how do they perceive our day to day activities? [/quote] Being outside of time merely means that time does not affect one, and that one has no present, no past, and no future. It's just endless... being. But they can still know what's going on on earth. They don't have to live through 12:00 PM on the eleventh of August 2009 to know what occured at that time. At least, that's always how I have understood it. I'd explain it so: Imagine time as a ticker-tape, or those paths that run around the Monopoly game, and think of each sqaure as a moment in time. If you are standing on the square, all you can see is the square you are on and all you can remember are the squares you have been on. But if you were outside of time (like God is) you wouldn't be standing on the tape/path. Instead, you'd be standing on the side of the tape/path, facing it, and able to look up and down the entire length of it. You'd be able to see every square, simultaneously. Am I explaining this clearly? I'm more of a visual sort of person, so writing this is correctly is sorta difficult. Pax! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 This may, rather shoud help HCF. Pax The Angels: Feast of Saint Michael http://www.audiosancto.org/sermon/20030120-The-Angels-Feast-of-Saint-Michael.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 (edited) [quote name='KnightofChrist' timestamp='1282026453' post='2158769'] This may, rather shoud help HCF. Pax The Angels: Feast of Saint Michael http://www.audiosancto.org/sermon/20030120-The-Angels-Feast-of-Saint-Michael.html [/quote] This also is good for understanding Angels. Angels and Demons, the Publican and the Pharisee http://www.audiosancto.org/sermon/20070805-Angels-and-Demons-the-Publican-and-the-Pharisee.html Edited August 17, 2010 by KnightofChrist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selah Posted September 20, 2010 Share Posted September 20, 2010 [quote name='HisChildForever' timestamp='1281296938' post='2154209'] I have a few random questions about guardian angels. So, I am in my bedroom right now sitting on the floor. Where would my guardian angel be? Sitting on my bed? Sitting in the desk chair? Standing by the door? When I get up to get a snack in the kitchen, does my guardian angel follow? Or do guardian angels stay in Heaven, with the sole duty of watching their charge? If our angel is literally with us on earth, well what if you are in a huge crowd of people. What if you end up walking through an angel. Would he or she even follow you into the confessional? Interestingly your angel would know all the sins you commit, right? OH, and are they only male? I think that is all for now hah. [/quote] I always think of Ariel (my angel) as hovering over me KnightofChrist, awesome link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark of the Cross Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 [quote name='Apotheoun' timestamp='1281302292' post='2154270'] Yes, only the incarnate Logos, the second person of the Holy Trinity, is physically male. [/quote] Is it true to assume that Jesus referred to God as Father because in that time Father was considered the head of the household or the highest position of respect (unlike my house where the wife is the head) It would be disrespectful to refer to God as 'it', so we refer to him in teh male gender even though we know he isn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StMichael Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 God created man in His own image. So, He created Adam, a man in His image. I don't see the confusion as to whether why God is referenced as the Father, male. Good thread. [quote name='Mark of the Cross' timestamp='1285027356' post='2174960'] Is it true to assume that Jesus referred to God as Father because in that time Father was considered the head of the household or the highest position of respect (unlike my house where the wife is the head) It would be disrespectful to refer to God as 'it', so we refer to him in teh male gender even though we know he isn't? [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSoG Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 Well I know this has already been probably said...a few times...but your guardian angel has no gender. Because angels (and demons by that matter) have no physical bodies they do not hold to a gender. Now that doesn't mean that they may not appear or show some kind of influence towards the appearance or feeling of a particular gender. I speak with my guardian angel who holds a feminine presence. (By the way, never argue with your guardian angel, you're going to lose. Sometimes I fills like I have my mom breathing down my neck, or other times my sister poking me to do something.) Also since angels hold no physical bodies they can be in a sense there and everywhere. It could be sitting on your bed while at the same time enveloping you in its protective wings. Which bring to mind that angels do not have any wings. They don't need them and the only reason why we think of angels having wings was because artists way back when began putting wings on them to show they where different from other people in the painting. Apparently people couldn't tell the difference between angels and people. I think someone in an earlier post about sunlight that I really liked that worked a lot. They are not affected by objects or your physical surroundings. There just there. I love my guardian angel (Skye, is what I call her/it, makes thing a lot shorter then saying guardian angel all the time). They are wonderful to have and I thank God on a regular basis for sending me mine. I'm always being led to prayer (and often nudged when I feel to tired to pray), I've had my guardian angel lift me up when I feel down, been led to the Adoration chapel when I couldn't think of anything else to do with my time and some times just had someone to talk to. I don't know but for some reason I'm really happy that someone started a thread on guardian angels! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StMichael Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 I'm impressed that so many of you are in touch with this. Can't say I know or thought about this since I was a little kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSoG Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 [quote name='dominicansoul' timestamp='1281302262' post='2154269'] i know that humans who are destined for great works on earth had larger than life guardian angels, as attested by St. Padre Pio, who was beat up and thrown into a river by some demons, just cos they saw the size of his guardian angel and figured this kid was something special in the eyes of God... [/quote] *looks over at my guardian angel* "You best start shrinking!" lol [quote name='Apotheoun' timestamp='1281302438' post='2154273'] Interesting. How does something that is immaterial have size? Do you think that the story related could actually be speaking about spiritual [i]power[/i] or [i]greatness[/i] rather than size? [/quote] I think that spiritual power or greatness may be pushing more in the right direction. [quote name='dominicansoul' timestamp='1281307622' post='2154310'] perhaps... all I understood from that story is that the guardian angel somehow reflects the uniqueness of the soul he is protecting...and seeing that St. Pio was chosen by God for the work he was to do in the world, "greatness" of the angel may definitely be referring to spiritual power rather than size... but at the same time... ...it is interesting to note that when the children at Fatima spoke of the vision of hell, they spoke of the various sizes of the demons. When Lucifer appeared to Francisco, Francisco described him as a demon like all the rest, but "much bigger." That could also mean "more powerful?" I don't know... maybe somehow there is size??? I pictured larger than life angels, rather than the little ones that sit on your shoulder... (the way we mortals portray angels...so very simplistic... but then again... I always seem to think in simple, easy-to-understand terms...) [/quote] I and some other people have been discussing some things that may clarify some thing in dealing with "size". First off I will mention the choirs of angels, or the hierarchy that angels have. Some of you may already know this, and correct me if I leave something out or mix something up. There are 7 choirs of angels that go in this order : angels, archangels, powers, principalities, thrones, seraphin, and cheraphin. The farther up the list you go the closer the angels get to God and in a sense the bigger and more powerful they get. Now when Lucifer fell of course many angels went with him, from all the choirs. Which could give us an idea of different types of demons that could correspond with the choir they where in before their fall from grace. Now some friends and I have been looking into some interesting ideas that may justify why Lucifer was viewed as much bigger. There is reason to believe that Lucifer was a cheraphin, and there for one of the mightiest of angels and closest to God. Now of course, and this is where it gets good, St. Micheal was an archangel and was on the low end of the totem pole compared to Lucifer. And what a better way to really grind the beans of one of the most powerful angels when it rebelled then by having it cast down by one of the weakest. Brings to mind, "Strength is made perfect through weakness." (or something like that, don't remember for some reason) God loves using the weak to show what true strength looks like. Now when size was mentioned it could be talking in a simple way of the over all power or will or even glory of the angel (though the glory would only fall in line with angels and not the fallen) A larger demon could show that it has greater power in a sense that it was higher in the choirs of angels before the fall, which could lead to a greater force of will or presence that it could place on a given area. All kinds of fun stuff, yea! Hope I got that all right, though some of ya'll may already know all of that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micah Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 check out St. Thomas' treatise on angels [on substance, movement, creation, will, knowledge and love]. Even after a cursory glance, my interest in my own guardian angel was piqued, but its another reading on the backburner right now. third section down: [url="http://www.ccel.org/a/aquinas/summa/FP.html"]http://www.ccel.org/a/aquinas/summa/FP.html[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theologian in Training Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 I just did a short Q&A on angels on my blog, don't know if it will help or not, but check it out if you want http://catholicquestionsinasecularworld.blogspot.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Cat Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 [url="http://www.opusangelorum.org/Confraternity/confraternity.html"][b]Confraternity of the Holy Guardian Angels[/b][/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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