" I'm A Man"

[ardillacid]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' date='04 August 2010 - 04:42 PM' timestamp='1280954527' post='2152177']
Mr. Normile, I think you're looking for something in that article that just isn't there... namely scandal.

What I read is the thoughts of a man with a heavy cross, who bears it as well as he can, and in exactly the way we as a Church knows it is to be borne. Not sure what you were reading.
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Concurrence, I thought maybe I read the wrong article

[Lil Red]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' date='04 August 2010 - 01:42 PM' timestamp='1280954527' post='2152177']
Mr. Normile, I think you're looking for something in that article that just isn't there... namely scandal.

What I read is the thoughts of a man with a heavy cross, who bears it as well as he can, and in exactly the way we as a Church knows it is to be borne. Not sure what you were reading.
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well said.

[Marie-Therese]

[quote name='Lil Red' date='04 August 2010 - 04:58 PM' timestamp='1280955495' post='2152197']
well said.
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I concur.

Thanks for posting this, Red. I think it might give a more soft-hearted perspective to the plight of those who suffer with the ramifications of SSA.

[Sojourner]

[quote name='Terra Firma' date='04 August 2010 - 02:43 PM' timestamp='1280954611' post='2152179']

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[quote name='TeresaBenedicta' date='04 August 2010 - 02:45 PM' timestamp='1280954728' post='2152182']
Well said, Nihil.
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[quote name='notardillacid' date='04 August 2010 - 02:50 PM' timestamp='1280955054' post='2152190']
Concurrence, I thought maybe I read the wrong article
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[quote name='Lil Red' date='04 August 2010 - 02:58 PM' timestamp='1280955495' post='2152197']
well said.
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[quote name='Marie-Therese' date='04 August 2010 - 03:08 PM' timestamp='1280956111' post='2152211']
I concur.

Thanks for posting this, Red. I think it might give a more soft-hearted perspective to the plight of those who suffer with the ramifications of SSA.
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Wow ... with this kind of response to your posts, Nihil, it's hard to understand why you had -435 with the points system.

[Ed Normile]

In all fairness many of you are making presumptions, first off Nihil says he thinks I am looking for scandal, actually Nihil I was not looking for anything, just responding to the post.

Terra you seem very knowledgeable, i know you would not assume to make such bold statements if you did not have better reference than this article supplied, that was my point of this post. If I were a confused homosexual I could take from the statement you quoted partially, and the finish of the statement which I quoted to either believe the church's views are right, or they are badly in need of change, as this was what was posted it could be read either way depending on ones mindset. I see by your posts that you are privvy to information not posted in the above article, I had to go byu what was actually posted here.

Teresa you posted, "I think with his clear support of the Church's teachings, he's chaste.

As for becoming a "bi-sexual", I don't think so. Like he said, he finds homosexuality something more like a spectrum. Not something where "You're gay" or "You're heterosexual". It's more sliding than that."

You referred to the spectrum as sliding , not either being gay or heterosexual? That is what I was referring to as "anything goes" you also prefaced this by posting about his "clear support of the Church's teachings", I do not understand how clear support relates to his statement that the Church's approach needs to be changed, and badly, sounds like dissent there to me, and unless you too have deeper or more intimate knowledge than available in the above article its being very generous to state that "he's chaste"

Too all this was just an opinion on what I read above, no need to be so argumentative and on the offensive, I will defer my opinion to those who have more information than I.

ed

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Terra Firma' date='04 August 2010 - 04:11 PM' timestamp='1280956307' post='2152215']
Wow ... with this kind of response to your posts, Nihil, it's hard to understand why you had -435 with the points system.




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Why yes, I don't understand it myself.

[Lil Red]

[quote]On the other hand, I do think the Church’s approach to the topic needs work, and badly. You might hear a sermon or two about gay marriage, but that’s not terribly helpful. Catholics often talk about homosexual men as if they were another species—who should of course be pitied and prayed for: Those poor freaks![/quote]
from that i get:

"The Church's teaching is solid, the approach needs work"

of course, i think he confuses the Church with priests/lay persons. many priests do need work on how they present (or mis-represent as sometimes the case is) the Church's teachings in this area (and others, i would add).

[Sojourner]

[quote name='Ed Normile' date='04 August 2010 - 03:24 PM' timestamp='1280957074' post='2152224']
Terra you seem very knowledgeable, i know you would not assume to make such bold statements if you did not have better reference than this article supplied, that was my point of this post. If I were a confused homosexual I could take from the statement you quoted partially, and the finish of the statement which I quoted to either believe the church's views are right, or they are badly in need of change, as this was what was posted it could be read either way depending on ones mindset. I see by your posts that you are privvy to information not posted in the above article, I had to go byu what was actually posted here.
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I didn't really supply much in outside reference except the brief reference to my friend, and my knowledge that Courage is an orthodox apostolate. Other than that, the rest was my read of what was actually in the article.

[Ed Normile]

[quote name='Terra Firma' date='04 August 2010 - 04:28 PM' timestamp='1280957317' post='2152228']


I didn't really supply much in outside reference except the brief reference to my friend, and my knowledge that Courage is an orthodox apostolate. Other than that, the rest was my read of what was actually in the article.
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Touche, it seems we both have opinions.

ed

[Lil Red]

[quote name='Ed Normile' date='04 August 2010 - 02:35 PM' timestamp='1280957737' post='2152237']
Touche, it seems we both have opinions.

ed
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you know, opinions are like , everyone's got one. Everybody's got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks.

Edited August 4, 2010 by Lil Red

[Ed Normile]

[quote name='Lil Red' date='04 August 2010 - 04:27 PM' timestamp='1280957239' post='2152227']
from that i get:

"The Church's teaching is solid, the approach needs work"

of course, i think he confuses the Church with priests/lay persons. many priests do need work on how they present (or mis-represent as sometimes the case is) the Church's teachings in this area (and others, i would add).
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I can see where the confusion comes from, we as Catholics refer to the church as an institution, as both priests and lay persons, and as the physical building where we worship. We are taught that we are one with God, we are his people, priests are his people and we are all members of the Communion of Saints. If someone attacks a priest they are attacking the church too, the same with attacking the faithful, or the institution.

ed

[Ed Normile]

[quote name='Lil Red' date='04 August 2010 - 04:37 PM' timestamp='1280957824' post='2152239']
you know, opinions are like , everyone's got one.
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Yup, just like belly buttons!

ed

[Lil Red]

[quote name='Ed Normile' date='04 August 2010 - 02:45 PM' timestamp='1280958305' post='2152251']
Yup, just like belly buttons!

ed
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i forgot part of the saying, forgive me. i edited my post.

[Ed Normile]

[quote name='Lil Red' date='04 August 2010 - 04:46 PM' timestamp='1280958378' post='2152252']
i forgot part of the saying, forgive me. i edited my post.
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Oh embarrassing, I had no idea you were talking about armpits!! My bad!

ed

[Nihil Obstat]

My belly button doesn't stink!!