Dead Giveaways (Of A Linguistic Nature)

[Ed Normile]

I just say St Auggie, I wonder how many different pronunciations of St Thomas Aquinas last name has? I have heard Uh-key-ness A-key-ness, Uh-kwine-us.Then there is St Hippopatamus , I know this is not the right spelling, but I think Saints have a sense of humor.

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[Ed Normile]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' date='04 August 2010 - 12:15 PM' timestamp='1280942116' post='2152065']
I'm a Traditional Latin Catholic, it is second nature part of my being, not showing off. Aurea is Latin and it means Golden, Wikipedia shouldn't be trusted to say the sky is blue.
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I liken it (wikipedia) to gossip, it changes each time somebody gets their hands on it.

ed

[Tridenteen]

JMJ
Wikipedia is a girl's best friend[img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif[/img]

[Lil Red]

[quote name='Resurrexi' date='04 August 2010 - 12:13 PM' timestamp='1280949181' post='2152110']
I have no clue why anyone thinks he is so cool when he speaks English. It simply means he was either raised in an English speaking environment or studied English later.
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don't be a twit.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Ed Normile' date='04 August 2010 - 02:30 PM' timestamp='1280950208' post='2152118']
I just say St Auggie, I wonder how many different pronunciations of St Thomas Aquinas last name has? I have heard Uh-key-ness A-key-ness, Uh-kwine-us.Then there is St Hippopatamus , I know this is not the right spelling, but I think Saints have a sense of humor.

ed
[/quote]
Do you mean Hippolytus?

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='Hilde' date='04 August 2010 - 02:26 PM' timestamp='1280950014' post='2152117']
AuGUStin sounds weird to me. But I'm just a silly European.
Hop on the bus, Gus.
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I agree that it is a silly pronunciation. I have no idea why so many Patristic scholars advocate its use. AW-guss-teen sound much more like the Latin pronunciation of [i]Augustinus[/i], anyway.

[ardillacid]

[quote name='Resurrexi' date='04 August 2010 - 03:13 PM' timestamp='1280949181' post='2152110']
I have no clue why anyone thinks he is so cool when he speaks English. It simply means he was either raised in an English speaking environment or studied English later.
[/quote]
Strunk and White agree with Iggy.

[quote name='Ed Normile' date='04 August 2010 - 03:32 PM' timestamp='1280950346' post='2152119']
I liken it (wikipedia) to gossip, it changes each time somebody gets their hands on it.

ed
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I see this all the time, but no one can cite any specific study showing wikipedia to be repeatedly inaccurate, whereas I can produce studies that show the opposite. [img]http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y218/blink822/th_puker.gif[/img]

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='notardillacid' date='04 August 2010 - 03:07 PM' timestamp='1280952432' post='2152148']
Strunk and White agree with Iggy.
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Would you be willing to cite the relevant passage from [i]Elements[/i]? I would be interested in hearing their opinion on the matter.

[Sojourner]

I say "rosary" and not "rosary beads" but I wouldn't think twice about someone's Catholicity if they used the latter term. I would probably think it was a cultural thing, like how the Brits spell things wrong like "colour" and "honour" and "grey."

I say "Cath-lic" and so does everyone I know, Protestant and Catholic alike.

I have no idea how to pronounce St. Augustine's name. I grew up saying AW-gus-teen but in my MA classes learned it was said "Ah-GUST-in." After a couple decades of pronouncing it "incorrectly" I don't think I can change, so I just call him "St. Monica's son." I think the bigger giveaway is when someone leaves off the "Saint" and just refers to him as "Augustine," or refers to St. Paul as just "Paul."

[Hilde]

I haven't paid a lot of attention to this but I think it's more common to say Paul the apostle and not st.Paul here. We call him Paulus and when you say that name(I don't know anyone named Paulus but rather Paul) you know who you're talking about.

[ardillacid]

[quote name='Resurrexi' date='04 August 2010 - 04:13 PM' timestamp='1280952800' post='2152153']
Would you be willing to cite the relevant passage from [i]Elements[/i]? I would be interested in hearing their opinion on the matter.
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"Avoid the elaborate, the pretentious, the coy, and the cute. Do not be tempted by a twenty-dollar word when there is a ten-center handy, ready and able. Anglo-Saxon is a livelier tongue than Latin, so use Anglo-Saxon words." pp 76-77 4th ed.

"20. [i]Avoid foreign languages.[/i]
The writer will occasionally find it convenient or necessary to borrow from other languages. Some writers, however, from sheer exuberance or a desire to show off, sprinkle their work liberally with foreign expressions, with no regard for the reader's comfort. It is a bad habit. Write in English." p 81 4th ed.

[Hilde]

[quote name='Resurrexi' date='04 August 2010 - 11:04 PM' timestamp='1280952297' post='2152142']
I agree that it is a silly pronunciation. I have no idea why so many Patristic scholars advocate its use. AW-guss-teen sound much more like the Latin pronunciation of [i]Augustinus[/i], anyway.
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I have also heard women in English speaking countries be named Augustin, and it's pronounced in the non-silly way. Maybe because they are female people don't think of emphasising the GUS part so much. Just throwing shots in the dark here.

[Marie-Therese]

No one has mentioned the Our Father express.

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='notardillacid' date='04 August 2010 - 04:22 PM' timestamp='1280953357' post='2152161']
"Avoid the elaborate, the pretentious, the coy, and the cute. Do not be tempted by a twenty-dollar word when there is a ten-center handy, ready and able. Anglo-Saxon is a livelier tongue than Latin, so use Anglo-Saxon words." pp 76-77 4th ed.

"20. [i]Avoid foreign languages.[/i]
The writer will occasionally find it convenient or necessary to borrow from other languages. Some writers, however, from sheer exuberance or a desire to show off, sprinkle their work liberally with foreign expressions, with no regard for the reader's comfort. It is a bad habit. Write in English." p 81 4th ed.
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Latin Catholics can use Latin if they so wish it, end of story.

[ardillacid]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' date='04 August 2010 - 04:43 PM' timestamp='1280954590' post='2152178']
Latin Catholics can use Latin if they so wish it, end of story.
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I never said they couldn't. I just supplied Strunk and White's advice on the topic since their word carries a bit more weight than mine. Feel free to reject it. Who knows, maybe you will write a book on the language that becomes the standard.