Dead Giveaways (Of A Linguistic Nature)

[jeffpugh]

Here's a dead giveaway of non catholics -- Gregorian chant = "gregorian chants". It's like saying "so you listen to your countrys, eh?" or "rock 'n' rolls"...

[Tridenteen]

JMJ
Some guy I met thought gregorian chant was only used in Halo games, and them Catholics liked it so much, they decided to start using it.[img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/blink.gif[/img]

[IgnatiusofLoyola]

[quote name='Tridenteen' date='06 August 2010 - 10:48 PM' timestamp='1281152911' post='2153536']
JMJ
Some guy I met thought gregorian chant was only used in Halo games, and them Catholics liked it so much, they decided to start using it.[img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/blink.gif[/img]
[/quote]

I love it! That's like the people who come to England and wonder why they built Windsor Castle so close to Heathrow Airport because there is so much airplane noise. Well, the castle HAS only been there for 900 years (give or take a few)......

[Tridenteen]

JMJ
Or the people who asked me why my Church was built in a protestant neighborhood. "Why on earth would you build a Catholic Church in a Pentecostal neighborhood?" well, maybe cuz the Catholics got there first, and lived around the Church until they ended up moving???

[jeffpugh]

[quote name='Tridenteen' date='06 August 2010 - 11:48 PM' timestamp='1281152911' post='2153536']
JMJ
Some guy I met thought gregorian chant was only used in Halo games, and them Catholics liked it so much, they decided to start using it.[img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/blink.gif[/img]
[/quote]
He's so smart! Kids these days... no historical sense.

[quote name='Tridenteen' date='07 August 2010 - 12:20 AM' timestamp='1281154804' post='2153545']
JMJ
Or the people who asked me why my Church was built in a protestant neighborhood. "Why on earth would you build a Catholic Church in a Pentecostal neighborhood?" well, maybe cuz the Catholics got there first, and lived around the Church until they ended up moving???
[/quote]
Lull.

[Tridenteen]

JMJ
What's that organ doing up there?
Well, back in the dark ages, people used to sing up there
Oh, so it hasn't been used for awhile, huh?
Well, only by those 1962 throwbacks
No, they are really modern!
How so?
They were singing from music written by Mozart!
That isn't modern!
Oh, well, they were singing the theme to my computer game in the middle of Mass!
NO KIDDING!!!
Yeah, and their priest was dressed like Darth Vader, sorta, from the neck down!!! And he intoned the them from my computer game!
Whoa

[Norseman82]

Saying "cracker" to refer to the Eucharist.

When describing people, stating whether they are "saved" or not.

Use of the word "bondage".

Edited August 7, 2010 by Norseman82

[IgnatiusofLoyola]

[quote name='Norseman82' date='07 August 2010 - 12:06 AM' timestamp='1281157586' post='2153574']
Saying "cracker" to refer to the Eucharist.

When describing people, stating whether they are "saved" or not.

Use of the word "bondage".
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Definitely the part about asking people if they are "saved" or about their "walk with the Lord."

But, "bondage?" You must have attended, uh, different, Protestant churches than I attended. [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/help.gif[/img]

[jiyoung]

Wow...this thread got super derailed. I have thoughts on the whole Latin debate, but I'm not gonna add anything because I think the topic's been hacked away at for waaay too long.

As far as the original post goes:

I think there's a different style of prayer that Protestants use. Not just free-form versus frozen text, but things like word choice. Catholics tend to be pretty straight-forward and concise, while Protestants use kind of flowy language. I find it somewhat extraneous, to be honest, but I understand that's just how they do things. However, we have that poetic language often in our frozen text prayers--when I go to Mass, I tend to read the prayers from my missal after receiving communion instead of just "talking to God." I do that as well--but I find that the prayers in the missal are so much more eloquent than my own words.

That's another thing which has already been touched on in this thread, of course--the use of set prayers rather than free-form. In my extended family, we are mostly Catholics (or nothing at all), but there's one family who are Presbyterians. My aunt is particularly devout. When we get together for dinner/a party/whatever, often one of the adults (funny, because the kids are all legally adults now with the exception of the very youngest) will say grace. The Catholics, while often using free-form prayer, will also often follow with the set prayer. So, "blah blah blah bless us oh Lord..." haha. But my aunt will sometimes open, and I feel like we're sitting there for an hour while she goes on (in Korean) about the bountiful goodness of the Lord. It's great, but meanwhile everyone's stomachs are grumbling...hehe.

In general I think there are some differences in terminology. "Sermon" vs. "homily," for one. I hear "Reverend" a lot, whereas Catholics usually just say Father or Monsignor or whatever. I remember seeing "Reverend" in the formal title for a priest when I was young and being rather confused--I thought it was an exclusively Protestant word.

Also I find (in mainstream Protestantism) that the concept of worship is really intimately tied in with their music--singing is worshiping. I find this more and more in the terminology of some Catholic groups now--I actually object to the term "praise & worship" because I don't think that singing pop songs about Jesus is really worship. But you hear terms like "worship leader" and "lead us in worship" and things like that. Being a liturgical faith, Catholics don't really see it like that. (To be fair, I believe often Anglicans and more traditional Lutherans also are liturgical faiths, so they'd be on a similar wavelength here.)

This isn't a linguistic thing, but I find you can tell whether someone is a cradle or at least long-time Catholic by the speed with which they make the sign of the Cross. haha. While I was going to public school I learned to make it super subtle--people still noticed, though. heh. New Catholics can be either really brazen and proud about it, or really hesitant because they still feel like they don't have it right, and they're shooting shifty glances around. I think it's kind of cute, lol. And you can tell when someone's an Eastern Catholic too, not just because they go right-left--they make the sign of the Cross so many times during Divine Liturgy, they've streamlined a method for making it quickly and in rapid succession

[Archaeology cat]

[quote name='jiyoung' date='07 August 2010 - 07:32 AM' timestamp='1281162734' post='2153596']
Also I find (in mainstream Protestantism) that the concept of worship is really intimately tied in with their music--singing is worshiping. I find this more and more in the terminology of some Catholic groups now--I actually object to the term "praise & worship" because I don't think that singing pop songs about Jesus is really worship. But you hear terms like "worship leader" and "lead us in worship" and things like that. Being a liturgical faith, Catholics don't really see it like that. (To be fair, I believe often Anglicans and more traditional Lutherans also are liturgical faiths, so they'd be on a similar wavelength here.)
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Yes! That irritated me before I was Catholic, to be honest.

[Tridenteen]

JMJ
Have you been baptised in the Holy Ghost?
Have you been confirmed in Jesus' name?

[IgnatiusofLoyola]

[quote name='Tridenteen' date='07 August 2010 - 10:01 AM' timestamp='1281193283' post='2153638']
JMJ
Have you been baptised in the Holy Ghost?
Have you been confirmed in Jesus' name?
[/quote]

"Praise the Lord!" (As an exclamation, not as the words of a liturgy.)

[IgnatiusofLoyola]

[quote name='jiyoung' date='07 August 2010 - 01:32 AM' timestamp='1281162734' post='2153596']
In general I think there are some differences in terminology. "Sermon" vs. "homily," for one. I hear "Reverend" a lot, whereas Catholics usually just say Father or Monsignor or whatever. I remember seeing "Reverend" in the formal title for a priest when I was young and being rather confused--I thought it was an exclusively Protestant word.

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If someone talks about their rector or their vicar, you've probably found yourself a person of the Anglican/Episcopalian/Church of England variety.

Particularly the word "vicar" is a giveaway--I love that word. It is SO English. But, I was confirmed (in the U.S.) at a church with a vicar, not a rector. I've never heard the term "curate" used in the U.S. For all I know, it's no longer used in England, either. (I've read too many English mysteries from the "Golden Age" and I think I've ready virtually every book by Anthony Trollope. Got to watch out for the curate, often the squire's daughter wants to marry him, instead of the rich, idle, stupid young man her parents have picked out for her.)

Edited August 7, 2010 by IgnatiusofLoyola

[IgnatiusofLoyola]

[quote name='Tridenteen' date='06 August 2010 - 11:27 PM' timestamp='1281155226' post='2153548']
JMJ
What's that organ doing up there?
Well, back in the dark ages, people used to sing up there
Oh, so it hasn't been used for awhile, huh?
Well, only by those 1962 throwbacks
No, they are really modern!
How so?
They were singing from music written by Mozart!
That isn't modern!
Oh, well, they were singing the theme to my computer game in the middle of Mass!
NO KIDDING!!!
Yeah, and their priest was dressed like Darth Vader, sorta, from the neck down!!! And he intoned the them from my computer game!
Whoa
[/quote]

Back in the dark ages, we learned our classical music not from video games, but from Saturday cartoons. I didn't realize until I was an adult that a lot of the background music of the cartoons we watched was from classical symphonic or operatic music.

Even the Three Stooges taught us Shakespeare to an operatic tune. Does anyone else remember this one? I have no idea why I remember it.

"Neither a borrower, nor a lender be,
Save what you get, stay out of debt,
And there is one more thing you have to do,
To thine own self be true."

Obviously taken from Hamlet and sung to an operatic tune I can't name. (My knowledge of Opera is virtually nil.)

Sorry for going off-topic. Tiddy's post set off that tune in my head (even though I can't name it. Barber of Seville, perhaps?)

[Norseman82]

I forgot to mention "rapture".

[quote name='IgnatiusofLoyola' date='07 August 2010 - 01:29 AM' timestamp='1281158992' post='2153581']
But, "bondage?" You must have attended, uh, different, Protestant churches than I attended. [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/help.gif[/img]
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As in demonic bondage, where the devil has a grip on you. I guess this is more popular in Pentecostal circles. For example, once one of my ex-roommate's friends from his Pentecostal church brought up some obscure bible verse stating that the eyes are the window to the soul and extrapolated that because I wore glasses I must be under bondage.