Dead Giveaways (Of A Linguistic Nature)

[Tridenteen]

[quote name='Lil Red' date='05 August 2010 - 12:39 PM' timestamp='1281029978' post='2152723']
[i]this post is the personal opinion of the poster, not of the mods[/i]

i'm glad you LOVE Latin. not everyone does. and do you sincerely think you will be warned for using Latin? [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif[/img] are you deliberately being thick? do the [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?app=forums&module=extras&section=boardrules"]guidelines[/url] say anything about not using Latin? has anyone ever gotten warned/edited/banned/suspended for using Latin? (unless it was a swear word or an insult, i doubt it.) i'm sorry that some mods express their personal opinion. we'll rectify that just for you since you have a hearty dislike of any mod expressing their personal opinion when you disagree with it. we'll get right on that. kthxbye
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JMJ
And so it should be for people who don't like latin and have a cow when it is used. I don't get it?

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='Lil Red' date='05 August 2010 - 01:35 PM' timestamp='1281029709' post='2152717']
[i]this post is the personal opinion of the poster, not of the mods[/i]

no, they probably will skip over the whole post. which is probably not the intent of the poster who wrote the Latin phrase/word.
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So if I began a post with "Salve!" and the proceeded on in English to, say, welcome a new member - the individual would honestly not read my post? Because of one Latin word which, given the context, is pretty easy to figure out? That seems to be an issue for the individual to work out, not the person using the word.

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='Lil Red' date='05 August 2010 - 01:39 PM' timestamp='1281029978' post='2152723']
[i]this post is the personal opinion of the poster, not of the mods[/i]

i'm glad you LOVE Latin. not everyone does. and do you sincerely think you will be warned for using Latin? are you deliberately being thick? do the [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?app=forums&module=extras&section=boardrules"]guidelines[/url] say anything about not using Latin? has anyone ever gotten warned/edited/banned/suspended for using Latin? (unless it was a swear word or an insult, i doubt it.) i'm sorry that some mods express their personal opinion. we'll rectify that just for you since you have a hearty dislike of any mod expressing their personal opinion when you disagree with it. we'll get right on that. kthxbye
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When these "arguments" over a Latin word or phrase spring up, some moderators agree with those members who claim Latin use (despite how little it IS used) excludes non-Catholics and even Catholics who know zilch about the language. Moreover, since these "arguments" are reoccurring, it is not that far-fetched to wonder if Latin use will be limited or even restricted outside of scholarly discussions - for the sake of preventing arguments (just as Catholics are not allowed to debate Church doctrine with one another).

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='Lil Red' date='05 August 2010 - 01:39 PM' timestamp='1281029978' post='2152723']
[i]this post is the personal opinion of the poster, not of the mods[/i]

i'm glad you LOVE Latin. not everyone does. and do you sincerely think you will be warned for using Latin? are you deliberately being thick? do the [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?app=forums&module=extras&section=boardrules"]guidelines[/url] say anything about not using Latin? has anyone ever gotten warned/edited/banned/suspended for using Latin? (unless it was a swear word or an insult, i doubt it.) i'm sorry that some mods express their personal opinion. we'll rectify that just for you since you have a hearty dislike of any mod expressing their personal opinion when you disagree with it. we'll get right on that. kthxbye
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The guidelines forbid rude and uncharitable comments. The short use of Latin has been labeled rude and uncharitable to visitors by certain Mods. One is right to be cautious, it is only logical to be concerned that one could be breaking the rules against rude and uncharitable comments when Latin is labeled as such by Mods.

The Church also loves Latin, she uses it and other non-English languages in her liturgy. To those just coming into the Church who do not understand those languages may feel uncomfortable and out of place at times. However it would be wrong from them to demand the Church change to suit them. In like manner because this is a Latin Catholic Phorum it is similarly wrong for visitors to come in and demand Latin Catholics cease using small Latin words or phrases. It is also wrong for those small Latin phrases to be labeled rude and uncharitable just because a visitor doesn't understand them. As I stated before if any person does not understand a Latin word(s) I may use all they need to is ask and I will give them a translation. That seems to be a good and acceptable compromise.

Edited August 5, 2010 by KnightofChrist

[Lil Red]

i'm going to quote Icey here:

[quote name='IcePrincessKRS' date='05 August 2010 - 10:42 AM' timestamp='1281030153' post='2152727']
Also, being a moderator isn't easy because we have to try and appease everyone around here, and when we do edit people they often think we have some personal vendetta against them. Believe me, if there was someone I didn't like I would deliberately NOT edit them because I wouldn't want that clash to be hurled against me as a reason for an "unfair" warning. [b]The mod team looks at all reports and warns as a group and tries to come to a unanimous decision on how to resolve those matters.[/b] There have been many times when I thought something crossed the line and the other mods told me I was on crack. It happens and we move on. Sometimes people think we have moderated unfairly, which is why we always try to give benefit of a doubt and show mercy as often as possible (that's kind of a bad way to phrase that, "mercy", but I can't think of a better one right this moment).
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i'm going to go ahead and say that if i ever said to the other mods:

'hey, this latin stuff is bullpoopy and has to go and everyone who uses it should get warned/edited'

they would pretty much tell me i'm out of my head.

[Tridenteen]

JM
yes

[KnightofChrist]

Again, more than one mod has expressed a view that the use of small Latin phrases is rude and uncharitable because visitors may not feel welcomed. When mods start making such claims it is only logical to be concerned that one could be breaking the rules against rude and uncharitable.

[Lil Red]

i'm going to quote Icey here:

[quote name='IcePrincessKRS' date='05 August 2010 - 10:42 AM' timestamp='1281030153' post='2152727']
Also, being a moderator isn't easy because we have to try and appease everyone around here, and when we do edit people they often think we have some personal vendetta against them. Believe me, if there was someone I didn't like I would deliberately NOT edit them because I wouldn't want that clash to be hurled against me as a reason for an "unfair" warning. [b]The mod team looks at all reports and warns as a group and tries to come to a unanimous decision on how to resolve those matters.[/b] There have been many times when I thought something crossed the line and the other mods told me I was on crack. It happens and we move on. Sometimes people think we have moderated unfairly, which is why we always try to give benefit of a doubt and show mercy as often as possible (that's kind of a bad way to phrase that, "mercy", but I can't think of a better one right this moment).
[/quote]
i'm going to go ahead and say that if i ever said to the other mods:

'hey, this latin stuff is bullpoopy and has to go and everyone who uses it should get warned/edited'

they would pretty much tell me i'm out of my head.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' date='05 August 2010 - 11:27 AM' timestamp='1281032862' post='2152764']
Again, more than one mod has expressed a view that the use of small Latin phrases is rude and uncharitable because visitors may not feel welcomed. When mods start making such claims it is only logical to be concerned that one could be breaking the rules against rude and uncharitable.
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and i'll let the mods know your opinion.

[IcePrincessKRS]

[quote name='HisChildForever' date='05 August 2010 - 02:55 PM' timestamp='1281030959' post='2152738']
When these "arguments" over a Latin word or phrase spring up, some moderators agree with those members who claim Latin use (despite how little it IS used) excludes non-Catholics and even Catholics who know zilch about the language. Moreover, since these "arguments" are reoccurring, it is not that far-fetched to wonder if Latin use will be limited or even restricted outside of scholarly discussions - for the sake of preventing arguments (just as Catholics are not allowed to debate Church doctrine with one another).
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I'm one of the mods (and my posts were not from a mod perspective, but as a non-Latin speaker) who made a post that didn't entirely embrace liberal use of Latin being bandied about the boards. I didn't insinuate that it should never be used, and I certainly never said it was exclusive. My exact words, more than once, were that it would be an [i]act of kindness[/i] for those quoting Latin to provide a translation. I didn't demand, or even particularly ask, I offered it as a [i]suggestion[/i]. I know you don't like your words being misconstrued, I would appreciate the same courtesy in return.

[KnightofChrist]

Being that is not against the Phorum to use Latin this topic no longer serves a purpose.


Pax.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' date='05 August 2010 - 11:40 AM' timestamp='1281033629' post='2152772']
Being that is not against the Phorum to use Latin this topic no longer serves a purpose.


Pax.
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actually, that wasn't the Original Topic.

[Jaime]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' date='05 August 2010 - 02:40 PM' timestamp='1281033629' post='2152772']
Being that is not against the Phorum to use Latin this topic no longer serves a purpose.


Pax.
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That's your stance?

There's no rule that says I can't use derivations of other peoples names. (smores hass etc) But folks asked that I stop. And while I didn't do it right away, I eventually stopped in the spirit of charity. You and others have been asked to either refrain from throwing in latin phrases (aimed at a couple of people) or offering translations when you do it.

Your response has been to drape yourself in the culture of being a latin Catholic. (Even though that's not a culture) And the response of others has been "Go google and learn something"

nice

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='hot stuff' date='05 August 2010 - 02:50 PM' timestamp='1281034211' post='2152779']
That's your stance?

There's no rule that says I can't use derivations of other peoples names. (smores hass etc) But folks asked that I stop. And while I didn't do it right away, I eventually stopped in the spirit of charity. You and others have been asked to either refrain from throwing in latin phrases (aimed at a couple of people) or offering translations when you do it.

Your response has been to drape yourself in the culture of being a latin Catholic. (Even though that's not a culture) And the response of others has been "Go google and learn something"

nice
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Calling people names is inheritably rude, using small Latin phrases or one Latin word is not.

[Jaime]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' date='05 August 2010 - 03:02 PM' timestamp='1281034959' post='2152787']
Calling people names is inheritably rude, using small Latin phrases or one Latin word is not.
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Inheritably is not a word. Perhaps you could focus more on your English. I have a feeling that its part of your culture too

Rudeness is decided by those who feel its rude. Not the ones who commit it.

*edit

ok it is a word but you were actually looking for "inherently".