Should Openly Gay People Be Allowed To Serve In The Military?

[Hassan]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='05 August 2010 - 04:10 PM' timestamp='1281039053' post='2152830']
Actually many people do care, and if you come from the military or a military family you would or should or could know this. It is in no way analogous to women or blacks.
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You know what, even if popular opinion in the military were against it, it really wouldn't matter. The military isn't a democratic organization. A lot of people had problems with serving in the same unit with a black service member. Some still do.

[Semper Catholic]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='06 August 2010 - 08:27 AM' timestamp='1281101243' post='2153207']
Ask anyone in the army:
M-A-R-I-N-E-S= Muscles Are Required, Intelligence Not E-Sential [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif[/img]
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Shameful. You're welcome for the freedoms my brothers and sisters provide everyday btw.

My biggest problem with all of this is the assumption that gay people are some kind neanderthalic type beings who can't control their actions or thoughts.

You'd have to search far and wide to find someone who hasn't worked with someone who they were attracted too. Doesn't mean that it effected their professionalism in the least.

Gay people are not heathens.

And yes the REASON I'm out spoken about this is because I've served with gay people, and it had absolutely no bearing on our units effectiveness at all. Apparently firsthand accounts are meaningless though.

[The Bus Station]

[quote name='Semper Catholic' date='06 August 2010 - 12:36 PM' timestamp='1281112567' post='2153282']
My biggest problem with all of this is the assumption that gay people are some kind neanderthalic type beings who can't control their actions or thoughts.

I've served with gay people, and it had absolutely no bearing on our units effectiveness at all.[/quote]

Hard to argue with that.

Edited August 6, 2010 by The Bus Station

[Hassan]

[quote name='The Bus Station' date='06 August 2010 - 12:55 PM' timestamp='1281113735' post='2153293']
Hard to argue with that.
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You would think so.

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='The Bus Station' date='06 August 2010 - 11:55 AM' timestamp='1281113735' post='2153293']
Hard to argue with that.
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Anecdotal evidence?

[ardillacid]

[quote name='Resurrexi' date='06 August 2010 - 01:30 PM' timestamp='1281115858' post='2153298']
Anecdotal evidence?
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It is extraordinarily difficult to argue with one man's anecdotal evidence.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='notardillacid' date='06 August 2010 - 12:32 PM' timestamp='1281115963' post='2153301']
It is extraordinarily difficult to argue with one man's anecdotal evidence.
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Is not. There was one time I did and won the debate handily.

[Paddington]

[quote name='Semper Catholic' date='06 August 2010 - 01:36 PM' timestamp='1281112567' post='2153282']You'd have to search far and wide to find someone who hasn't worked with someone who they were attracted too.[/quote]

1. my boss is hot
2. kinda goes along with the whole women and men serving together thing then. never thought about that before.

[The Bus Station]

[quote name='notardillacid' date='06 August 2010 - 01:32 PM' timestamp='1281115963' post='2153301']
It is extraordinarily difficult to argue with one man's anecdotal evidence.
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Because it is representative of the entire military, all branches, all stations, all over the world.

[Jesus_lol]

[quote name='Resurrexi' date='06 August 2010 - 10:30 AM' timestamp='1281115858' post='2153298']
Anecdotal evidence?
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well, it is anecdotal evidence, but far from unique. a large amount of peoples experience matches his.


and is it any less anecdotal evidence when Cmotherofpirl talks about how her predominantly christian family in the military feels about gay servicemen?

or does it just agree with your side?




bustin chops

[Sternhauser]

[quote name='Semper Catholic' date='06 August 2010 - 11:36 AM' timestamp='1281112567' post='2153282']
Shameful. You're welcome for the freedoms my brothers and sisters provide everyday btw.
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That's pure bravado. Not being uncharitable by saying that. Just factual. Were the Iraqis about to invade and steal our freedoms? The Afghanis? Unfounded emotional rot. Like saying, "Thank a Viet Nam vet if you like your freedom." Laughable.

The Founding Fathers knew better: a standing army is the gravest threat to domestic liberty, not foreign armies. Especially ones that had no logistical capability to invade and occupy, which is what it would take to quash liberty.

~Sternhauser

[ThePenciledOne]

[quote name='Sternhauser' date='06 August 2010 - 07:56 PM' timestamp='1281135408' post='2153454']
That's pure bravado. Not being uncharitable by saying that. Just factual. Were the Iraqis about to invade and steal our freedoms? The Afghanis? Unfounded emotional rot. Like saying, "Thank a Viet Nam vet if you like your freedom." Laughable.

The Founding Fathers knew better: a standing army is the gravest threat to domestic liberty, not foreign armies. Especially ones that had no logistical capability to invade and occupy, which is what it would take to quash liberty.

~Sternhauser
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Not only that, not to be harsh to soldiers in general, but isn't it their job to protect and risk their lives? I mean, they go into the service full well knowing the risks as any person does going into any profession.

I promise I am not trying to be callous or anything, it's just a question.

[Semper Catholic]

[quote name='Sternhauser' date='06 August 2010 - 05:56 PM' timestamp='1281135408' post='2153454']
That's pure bravado. Not being uncharitable by saying that. Just factual. Were the Iraqis about to invade and steal our freedoms? The Afghanis? Unfounded emotional rot. Like saying, "Thank a Viet Nam vet if you like your freedom." Laughable.

The Founding Fathers knew better: a standing army is the gravest threat to domestic liberty, not foreign armies. Especially ones that had no logistical capability to invade and occupy, which is what it would take to quash liberty.

~Sternhauser
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Post by Sternhauser detected, Post disregarded.

Edited August 7, 2010 by Semper Catholic

[Semper Catholic]

[quote name='ThePenciledOne' date='06 August 2010 - 06:19 PM' timestamp='1281136798' post='2153471']
Not only that, not to be harsh to soldiers in general, but isn't it their job to protect and risk their lives? I mean, they go into the service full well knowing the risks as any person does going into any profession.

I promise I am not trying to be callous or anything, it's just a question.
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So you've never thanked a Priest? I mean it's his job to provide Communion and Confession, not like anyone asked him to do it sheesh.

[ThePenciledOne]

[quote name='Semper Catholic' date='06 August 2010 - 09:02 PM' timestamp='1281139328' post='2153484']
So you've never thanked a Priest? I mean it's his job to provide Communion and Confession, not like anyone asked him to do it sheesh.
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Nope, though you do have a point.

I never asked for anyone to 'protect' my freedoms, and if they are willing to fine by me, though with all honesty it doesn't matter to me. Concerning my religion is an entirely different matter, and you comparing government (strictly something that is founded on earth) and the Church (an institution that Divinely established, and it shall continue longer than the United States will), find that you are comparing apples to oranges.

Not only that most priests that I know have a lot better dispositions than the soldiers I have met.

But then we digress off topic.