Gregorian Chant

[Bennn]

[quote name='Resurrexi' date='02 August 2010 - 09:29 PM' timestamp='1280777372' post='2151030']
While there were definitely Christian chants at the time of St. Gregory the Great, what we now know as Gregorian chant definitely post-dates him by several centuries. Today's Gregorian chant developed from a fusion of Old Roman Chant and Gallican Chant during the era of Charlemagne that then further developed during the course of the Middle Ages.
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Agreed. Old Roman chant is different from Gregorian chant. There has always been development in it. Therefore, I'm clueless as to why Sistersintigo got worked up because I mentioned that legend about St. Gregory. Yes, I believe Gregorian chants are whispers from the Spirit.

[Didacus]

I listen to Ozzy O., TransiberianOrchestra, TwistedSister, Gowan, Celione Dion, Jethor Tull, classical music and on occasion and much to my children's dismay I listen to gregorian chants and genuinely enjoy them.


No rap though. I just don't listen to rap.

[Tally Marx]

I like Gregorian chant. It's very pretty and moving... as long as I am not the one singing it. I couldn't keep a tune in a picnic basket! [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/ohno.gif[/img]

[Sarah147]

Gregorian chant... It's absolutely beautiful. It's so interior, so much from the depths of one's soul.

When I hear men chanting gregorian, I always think of Sonship. I think of sons, in a quiet room, singing in prayer to their Father in Heaven. It's so deep, manly, prayerful, intimate.

It is prayer taken to such a high level, it is very spiritual.

It makes me think of the Scripture:

"In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words;" Romans 8:26

[Luigi]

[quote name='IgnatiusofLoyola' date='02 August 2010 - 04:59 PM' timestamp='1280782787' post='2151075']

Maybe I'm being overly optimistic, but my hope is that interest in the "pop, Gregorian chant-style" groups will lead some to a greater interest in Gregorian chant, its roots, and to more "pure" Gregorian chant. Even if this has an impact on only a few, at least that is more than zero.

Also, at least the pseudo-Gregorian groups are not swinging their hips sexually (at least not on the videos I saw), were wearing robes that were obviously "faux" but at least were more modest, and they presented themselves as less "evil" than some modern pop groups. [/quote]

Iggy - You're right. It may not be the real thing exactly, but it beats the feathers out of a lot of other stuff that's out there, so I guess should hold my peace.

[IgnatiusofLoyola]

[quote name='Resurrexi' date='02 August 2010 - 04:18 PM' timestamp='1280783919' post='2151079']
I don't see anything wrong with taking pictures in churches, even during Mass. the [url="http://www.newliturgicalmovement.org/"]NLM[/url] would be a lot barer and less aesthetically pleasing if pictures were forbidden during Mass.
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In no way I am saying you are wrong. There is room for more than one point of view here, and since pictures are allowed, even during Mass, in most famous cathedrals and churches, obviously many people see this as you do.

Could you explain for me what you mean when you say that that "The NLM would be a lot barer and less aesthetically pleasing if pictures were forbidden during Mass?" I'm sure your point has a lot of validity, but I'm not immediately understanding the reasons behind your view. Could you give a little more detail as to what you mean? It would help me understand. Thanks!

BTW--I do believe there are ways to take pictures unobtrusively during Mass, without interfering with worship. My earlier comments were more in response to Luigi's comments about Japanese tourists taking pictures of those attending Mass at Notre Dame.

Edited August 3, 2010 by IgnatiusofLoyola

[Sojourner]

[quote name='IgnatiusofLoyola' date='03 August 2010 - 11:07 AM' timestamp='1280855244' post='2151514']
In no way I am saying you are wrong. There is room for more than one point of view here, and since pictures are allowed, even during Mass, in most famous cathedrals and churches, obviously many people see this as you do.

Could you explain for me what you mean when you say that that "The NLM would be a lot barer and less aesthetically pleasing if pictures were forbidden during Mass?" I'm sure your point has a lot of validity, but I'm not immediately understanding the reasons behind your view. Could you give a little more detail as to what you mean? It would help me understand. Thanks!
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He's saying his magazine wouldn't be as pretty if it couldn't reproduce Mass photos/video.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='Terra Firma' date='03 August 2010 - 10:10 AM' timestamp='1280855412' post='2151516']
He's saying his magazine wouldn't be as pretty if it couldn't reproduce Mass photos/video.
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[Resurrexi]

[quote name='Terra Firma' date='03 August 2010 - 12:10 PM' timestamp='1280855412' post='2151516']
He's saying his magazine wouldn't be as pretty if it couldn't reproduce Mass photos/video.
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Well, actually it's a blog I read on a semi-regular basis, but you got the main point of what I was saying.

The same thing I said about the [url="http://www.newliturgicalmovement.org/"]New Liturgical Movement[/url] blog would also hold true for the webistes of the [url="http://fssp.com/press/category/photo-galleries/"]Fraternity of St. Peter[/url] and [url="http://www.institute-christ-king.org/home/"]Institute of Christ the King[/url].

[elizabeth09]

Vaery nice, but I perfor this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwL9i5DWkyw

Boulevard of broken dreams.

Edited August 3, 2010 by elizabeth09

[marccatholic]

[quote name='missionseeker' date='02 August 2010 - 01:40 AM' timestamp='1280727640' post='2150809']
(now for an actual post)

I think a large part of the problem is the false idea that "active participation" means singing every word and understanding it. We actively participate in God's goodness simply by existing. We actively participate in Mass just by being there. The point of the Mass is that you *can't* *ever* possibly comprehend it. It's not routine or familiar. It's incredible, beautiful and foreign.
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Well liturgical music here in the Philippines is very different. We seldom use gregorian chant (aside of Latin mass and some prayers of the priest that are being sung) since we say mass in our own language. We incorporate already some syncopations, pop chord harmonizations, as long as it passes to divine liturgical music. I tell you, liturgical music in our country is very alive and if we say active participation, we mean it. The whole congregation sings.

[jeffpugh]

[quote name='Didacus' date='02 August 2010 - 09:30 PM' timestamp='1280799008' post='2151241']
I listen to Ozzy O., TransiberianOrchestra, TwistedSister, Gowan, Celione Dion, Jethor Tull, classical music and on occasion and much to my children's dismay I listen to gregorian chants and genuinely enjoy them.


No rap though. I just don't listen to rap.
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Jethro Tull! Yeah! High five!

[Lil Red]

[quote name='marccatholic' date='03 August 2010 - 12:58 PM' timestamp='1280865493' post='2151593']if we say active participation, we mean it. The whole congregation sings.[/quote]
'active participation' doesn't mean that everyone has to be doing something.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Resurrexi' date='03 August 2010 - 02:22 PM' timestamp='1280863379' post='2151574']
Well, actually it's a blog I read on a semi-regular basis, but you got the main point of what I was saying.

The same thing I said about the [url="http://www.newliturgicalmovement.org/"]New Liturgical Movement[/url] blog would also hold true for the webistes of the [url="http://fssp.com/press/category/photo-galleries/"]Fraternity of St. Peter[/url] and [url="http://www.institute-christ-king.org/home/"]Institute of Christ the King[/url].
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This is why you're awesome.

[quote name='marccatholic' date='03 August 2010 - 02:58 PM' timestamp='1280865493' post='2151593']
Well liturgical music here in the Philippines is very different. We seldom use gregorian chant (aside of Latin mass and some prayers of the priest that are being sung) since we say mass in our own language. We incorporate already some syncopations, pop chord harmonizations, as long as it passes to divine liturgical music. I tell you, liturgical music in our country is very alive and if we say active participation, we mean it. The whole congregation sings.
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At my home parish we had a space of about a decade with mostly Filipino pastors. Unfortunately none of them liked organ music. We have a beautiful organ, which is more than can be said for most Catholic churches in my city, but for about ten years or more we've had no organist, so a lot of parishioners either don't realize or forget it's even there.

[jeffpugh]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' date='03 August 2010 - 06:25 PM' timestamp='1280874317' post='2151658']
This is why you're awesome.


At my home parish we had a space of about a decade with mostly Filipino pastors. Unfortunately none of them liked organ music. We have a beautiful organ, which is more than can be said for most Catholic churches in my city, but for about ten years or more we've had no organist, so a lot of parishioners either don't realize or forget it's even there.
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Sad. I'm sure it's out of tune now...

ETA, though, someone could have volunteered to learn to play it... and play it

Edited August 3, 2010 by Sacred Music Man