jeffpugh Posted August 1, 2010 Share Posted August 1, 2010 From [url="http://the-hermeneutic-of-continuity.blogspot.com/2010/07/gregorian-chant-nobody-really-likes-it.html"]The Hermeneutic of Continuity:[/url] [quote] As he points out, the more sophisticated defenders of the pop music played in Church will argue that the postconciliar liturgical reform called for the active participation of the laity, and that liturgical music should be accessible and easily understood so that the laity could join in and play their rightful part in the worship of God. [/quote] Read the whole story [url="http://the-hermeneutic-of-continuity.blogspot.com/2010/07/gregorian-chant-nobody-really-likes-it.html"]here[/url]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted August 1, 2010 Share Posted August 1, 2010 I used to like listening to it when I was having trouble sleeping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffpugh Posted August 1, 2010 Author Share Posted August 1, 2010 [quote name='CatherineM' date='01 August 2010 - 02:09 PM' timestamp='1280686166' post='2150533'] I used to like listening to it when I was having trouble sleeping. [/quote] Awesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tridenteen Posted August 1, 2010 Share Posted August 1, 2010 JMJ I sing it when I am furious. It's calming[img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/annoyed.gif[/img] [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/saint.gif[/img] see? I also sing the Jesus Prayer, but it is Cyrillic chant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffpugh Posted August 1, 2010 Author Share Posted August 1, 2010 [quote name='Tridenteen' date='01 August 2010 - 04:46 PM' timestamp='1280695616' post='2150558'] JMJ I sing it when I am furious. It's calming[img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/annoyed.gif[/img] [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/saint.gif[/img] see? I also sing the Jesus Prayer, but it is Cyrillic chant. [/quote] On a similar note, I've heard that there "used" to be vocations in writing in certain modes because of a certain level of scholarly work music takes. Sometimes I find melodies in mode I. Maybe that's where my vocation is? I also like the Jesus Prayer. I would like to learn the setting you speak of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tridenteen Posted August 1, 2010 Share Posted August 1, 2010 (edited) [media]http://www.lovetobecatholic.com/video_783_The_Jesus_Prayer_(of_the_Heart).html[/media] JMJ Here it is. I listened to it a few times and converted it to modern notation. The polyphonic part was confusing at first. It goes from 2 voices to 3 then back to 2. But then I figured it out. The words were not as confusing as I thought either! Edited August 1, 2010 by Tridenteen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tridenteen Posted August 1, 2010 Share Posted August 1, 2010 JMJ darn. it wouldn't embed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgnatiusofLoyola Posted August 1, 2010 Share Posted August 1, 2010 (edited) No, we all hate Gregorian chant. That's why the newest "pop stars" are groups singing Gregorian chant and a group of nuns was just signed to Lady Gaga's record label. Gregorian chant has never had such popularity. So, obviously, that means it is meaningless to us and we all hate it and it's not relevant. Just goes to show that not all "wise" people are wise about EVERYTHING. [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif[/img] BTW--IMHO, Gregorian chant is providing the Catholic church with some of the strongest witness to non-Catholics that the Church has had in years. Edited August 1, 2010 by IgnatiusofLoyola Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePenciledOne Posted August 1, 2010 Share Posted August 1, 2010 [quote name='IgnatiusofLoyola' date='01 August 2010 - 06:01 PM' timestamp='1280696473' post='2150570'] No, we all hate Gregorian chant. That's why the newest "pop stars" are groups singing Gregorian chant and a group of nuns was just signed to Lady Gaga's record label. Gregorian chant has never had such popularity. So, obviously, that means it is meaningless to us and we all hate it and it's not relevant. [/quote] Since we allow the world to choose for us, and we often forget we are supposed to be In the world, not Of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgnatiusofLoyola Posted August 1, 2010 Share Posted August 1, 2010 (edited) [quote name='ThePenciledOne' date='01 August 2010 - 04:06 PM' timestamp='1280696768' post='2150573'] Since we allow the world to choose for us, and we often forget we are supposed to be In the world, not Of it. [/quote] Sorry, I'm missing your point. You did realize that the sentences of mine you quoted were sarcastic? Which I tried to make clear in the next sentence. Just as the title of SMM's original post was sarcastic. Also, just because something is popular right now doesn't make it unholy and wrong. Sometimes "the world" gets it right. Not often enough, but sometimes. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you in any way, I just wasn't sure what you were trying to say. Edited August 1, 2010 by IgnatiusofLoyola Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sistersintigo Posted August 1, 2010 Share Posted August 1, 2010 Speaking as a trained musician: Nobody likes LEARNING HOW to read the stuff at the beginning, I can tell you that. I'm still barely literate, myself, in that wonky old notation. I can't write it down or copy it, and I certainly can't sight-read the stuff. To use a metaphor of notation with alphabet, I can't hardly spell in plainchant. No, I don't sing in a Schola or anything. I have a casual friend, however, who leads a Schola, and I envy him. He is now at the point where the literacy learning and practice are under his belt. Now that he knows what he is doing with regards to the ink on the page, and now that he has a Schola of other men who can sing unison, he can actually get past the forbidding notation that shuts the chant away from the rest of us, and thoroughly enjoy pouring himself heart and soul into those plainchant tones. I don't know if my friend's Schola will ever make a recording or compete with the Lady Gaga labelmates. They aren't professional, they are parochial and proud of it, and I am proud of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePenciledOne Posted August 2, 2010 Share Posted August 2, 2010 [quote name='IgnatiusofLoyola' date='01 August 2010 - 06:13 PM' timestamp='1280697194' post='2150579'] Sorry, I'm missing your point. You did realize that the sentences of mine you quoted were sarcastic? Which I tried to make clear in the next sentence. Just as the title of SMM's original post was sarcastic. Also, just because something is popular right now doesn't make it unholy and wrong. Sometimes "the world" gets it right. Not often enough, but sometimes. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you in any way, I just wasn't sure what you were trying to say. [/quote] Oh no, I know you were being sarcastic, I was merely adding/agreeing. : ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted August 2, 2010 Share Posted August 2, 2010 [quote name='IgnatiusofLoyola' date='01 August 2010 - 04:01 PM' timestamp='1280696473' post='2150570'] BTW--IMHO, Gregorian chant is providing the Catholic church with some of the strongest witness to non-Catholics that the Church has had in years. [/quote] You are extremely savvy. Thinking on this, I'd be inclined to say that proper traditional Chant is one of the very best external witnesses to the Faith we can possibly give to 'outsiders'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tridenteen Posted August 2, 2010 Share Posted August 2, 2010 JMJ The girls choir at my church sings mostly gregorian chant, and I am actually able to figure it out and sight read it...which is kind of cool. Way easier than I thought. The other awesome part is that several gregorian chant peices eiher sound the same, or are based on different major/minor scales...which make it easier to sing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missionseeker Posted August 2, 2010 Share Posted August 2, 2010 [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zez3V19U9h4&feature=related[/media] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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