Hilde Posted July 24, 2010 Share Posted July 24, 2010 Sorry about your relationship with your father. I oftentimes feel like me and my parents have what I can describe as ineffective communication. It's like they only want their point across. My dad oftentimes talks down to me and he usually says it's typical of me to talk about the way he talks to me instead of the subject. But he never talks to me with dignity. GAH My parents are intelligent people, they're just idiots sometimes that's all. I need to get out. yeah, I live with them and my aspie brother who I'm sure this behavior has a worse effect on. Dad's never been diagnosed with autism, but I know his EQ is horrible. Actually we have a trip planned to Gothenburg on Monday. My brother said he didn't want to go with us, and I expressed I wanted him to come. When he asked me why, I said I wanted our parents to have someone else to yell at too. He laughed. Sorry for my mini-rant. Maybe we should make a thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintOfVirtue Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 Twice California has voted on homosexual marriage, and twice we have chosen to protect traditional marriage. Now they are trying to push the legislation through the courts against the will of the public. To those who still want to devalue the family and destroy marriage despite the peoples voice twice being spoken... [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mevxenJ6Mtc[/media] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 (edited) [quote name='ThePenciledOne' date='24 July 2010 - 06:50 PM' timestamp='1280011830' post='2147583'] [img]http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4100/4805851999_18139d0e3e.jpg[/img] That sign the guy in the red is holding above, (shows a man + woman = one big lie) makes me laugh genuinely out loud. I love irrationality. [/quote] Men and women were never meant to get married, people are supposed to be vegetarian, and animals have the same rights as people. The Gospel according to the Liberals. Thanks be to false equality. Edited July 25, 2010 by USAirwaysIHS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgnatiusofLoyola Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 (edited) [quote name='USAirwaysIHS' date='24 July 2010 - 08:00 PM' timestamp='1280019603' post='2147654'] Men and women were never meant to get married, people are supposed to be vegetarian, and animals have the same rights as people. The Gospel according to the Liberals. Thanks be to false equality. [/quote] Whenever people at the zoo would tell me that people were meant to be vegetarians, I would get out my animal skulls and let the visitors compare the teeth of a pure carnivore (like any feline), a pure vegetarian animal, and a human. It's obvious from our teeth that humans were meant to be omnivores (eating both meat and vegetables). A human can choose to be a vegetarian, but that doesn't change the fact that we have the teeth of an omnivore. BTW--All liberals aren't the same. I make fun of my atheist sister and BIL sometimes, but they strongly believe in marriage, have never committed adultery as far as I know, and would never say that people are supposed to be vegetarian. I don't know how they feel about animal rights. There are numerous ways my sister and BIL would strongly disagree with the Magisterium, but not on everything. And, in my mind, the greatest thing to their credit is that they truly love their children unconditionally, put their childrens' needs before their own, and would die for their children if necessary. You'd hope that all Catholics would feel that way about their children, but I'm not naive enough to think that they all do. Even Catholics sometimes commit incest or abuse their children, although they should be better than non-Catholics. So, to be fair, you can't put all liberals in the same boat--particularly because they are all liberal in different ways. Yes, they will disagree with Catholics on some, perhaps many issues. But, being liberal only means they disagree with you, it does not make them evil. Summarily dismissing all liberals smacks of bigotry, and I know you are not a bigot. And, in the end, I believe (and you can disagree with me) that summarily dismissing all those who disagree with Catholics hurts the credibility of Catholicism, and hurts the Church's ability to evangelize non-Catholics. When I see bigotry or hate in a post on Phatmass, my reaction is, "If becoming a Catholic means I'm going to become a bigot and see some people as less than human, then I want no part of being Catholic." I don't (yet) agree with every point in the Magisterium. Does that mean that I am an evil person who deserves no respect and I'm to be dismissed as a "stupid Liberal?" I sure hope that you have more respect for me than that, because I have respect for you, even if we most likely disagree on certain things. Edited July 25, 2010 by IgnatiusofLoyola Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 [quote name='IgnatiusofLoyola' date='25 July 2010 - 12:40 AM' timestamp='1280032821' post='2147739'] I don't (yet) agree with every point in the Magisterium. Does that mean that I am an evil person who deserves no respect and I'm to be dismissed as a "stupid Liberal?" I sure hope that you have more respect for me than that, because I have respect for you, even if we most likely disagree on certain things. [/quote] I never said "stupid". Seriously though, just because one disagrees with me does not automatically make him a liberal. In fact, I'd consider you (and from what you've given me, your BIL/sis) pretty conservative. Non-Catholic and liberal are not necessarily synonymic. I would, however, consider anyone who believes that [quote]Men and women were never meant to get married, people are supposed to be vegetarian, and animals have the same rights as people [/quote] to be a few shades below intelligent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bennn Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 I would like to ask the following question to the man holding that sign. ... Where do babies come from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus_lol Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 [quote name='SaintOfVirtue' date='24 July 2010 - 05:51 PM' timestamp='1280019062' post='2147645'] Twice California has voted on homosexual marriage, and twice we have chosen to protect traditional marriage. Now they are trying to push the legislation through the courts against the will of the public. To those who still want to devalue the family and destroy marriage despite the peoples voice twice being spoken... [/quote] It should be noted that in the past, whenever human rights are put to a vote they nearly always fail. such as ending racial segregation in the military. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgnatiusofLoyola Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 [quote name='USAirwaysIHS' date='25 July 2010 - 12:20 AM' timestamp='1280035223' post='2147756'] I never said "stupid". [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif[/img] Seriously though, just because one disagrees with me does not automatically make him a liberal. In fact, I'd consider you (and from what you've given me, your BIL/sis) pretty conservative. Non-Catholic and liberal are not necessarily synonymic. I would, however, consider anyone who believes that to be a few shades below intelligent. [/quote] Thank-you for your very thoughtful answer. And, you're right, you didn't use the word "stupid." Some of my points were more general, rather than specifically directed at you. After far too many years of writing about politics, I have come to realize both "liberals" and "conservatives" can do very wise things and also do very stupid and hypocritical things. Unfortunately, stupidity is not limited to one political side or the other. Some people think liberals are more stupid, and some think conservatives are more stupid. My experience is that, over the long term they're pretty even (the stupidity and hypocrisy go in cycles), but either side has good arguments for saying the other side is worse. I don't know. After I left my job I was tired of politics and no longer pay attention any more, so I know nothing about present day politics. As for my family, I loved your comment that they sound pretty conservative in many ways, because it is true, they have a conservative side. But, if I really wanted to make my BIL mad, I'd tell him that. [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/lol.gif[/img] A large part of his identity is tied up with being liberal and thinking conservatives are idiots (if not a stronger word). I completely agree that people who think that men and women were never meant to get married, and that people were meant to be vegetarians are just plain wrong, and closing their eyes to facts. As for animal rights, I know intelligent people who believe both ways and I think there is a middle ground. Animals do not have the same rights as people, IMO, but neither should they be purposely abused or tortured--that's just basic kindness and responsibility. Medical testing on animals is a very tough issue for me. However, although there have been abuses, I also think it has done some good. If medical testing on animals is the only option in a particular circumstance, there are ways to perform medical tests on animals that reduce the pain and stress as much as possible, and are more humane than past practices. I try not to look at photos and videos of gay rights demonstrations, for fear I'll see my ex-husband. Then, I remember that, even though he has many faults, my ex is definitely not stupid. He is actively involved in the movement for gay rights, but on the national political level, meeting with government officials, etc. And, although some on Phatmass would say that being gay at all makes him stupid (and certainly, anyone who would voluntarily give up the infinite blessing of being married to me is lacking something [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/lol.gif[/img] ), I think my ex would be as appalled as we are about that ignorant sign saying marriage between men and women is a lie. But, on the other hand, gay people who are intelligent, articulate, and able to present themselves well may actually be more dangerous to those who oppose gay rights than the demonstrators in that picture, because they are more credible and rational, at least to government officials. Just random thoughts. [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePenciledOne Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 [quote name='Bennn' date='25 July 2010 - 04:26 AM' timestamp='1280042781' post='2147788'] I would like to ask the following question to the man holding that sign. ... Where do babies come from? [/quote] Doesn't matter apprently it's all one big lie...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgnatiusofLoyola Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 [quote name='Bennn' date='25 July 2010 - 02:26 AM' timestamp='1280042781' post='2147788'] I would like to ask the following question to the man holding that sign. Where do babies come from? [/quote] [quote name='ThePenciledOne' date='25 July 2010 - 02:27 PM' timestamp='1280086030' post='2147917'] Doesn't matter apprently it's all one big lie...... [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/annoyed.gif[/img][img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/sadder.gif[/img] [/quote] Unfortunately, I suspect the guy with the sign would say that you don't need sex between a man and a woman to make babies, which with current scientific methods, is true. But, not nearly as much fun.[img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/blush.gif[/img] Although, if he finds women physically repulsive, he might disagree. His loss. [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/lol_grin.gif[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bennn Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 (edited) [quote name='ThePenciledOne' date='25 July 2010 - 09:27 PM' timestamp='1280086030' post='2147917'] Doesn't matter apprently it's all one big lie...... [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/annoyed.gif[/img][img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/sadder.gif[/img] [/quote] [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/shock.gif[/img] So, when people told me during my childhood that babies sprung forth from cabbages they were in fact telling the truth? Edited July 25, 2010 by Bennn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgnatiusofLoyola Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 [quote name='Bennn' date='25 July 2010 - 04:38 PM' timestamp='1280093885' post='2147971'] [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/shock.gif[/img] So, when people told me during my childhood that babies sprung forth from cabbages they were in fact telling the truth? [/quote] Well, actually it's storks that bring babies. Sorry to disillusion you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffpugh Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 [quote name='IgnatiusofLoyola' date='25 July 2010 - 06:49 PM' timestamp='1280098189' post='2148007'] Well, actually it's storks that bring babies. Sorry to disillusion you. [/quote] From his part of the world, it's cabbages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilde Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 KALE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgnatiusofLoyola Posted July 26, 2010 Share Posted July 26, 2010 (edited) [quote name='Sacred Music Man' date='25 July 2010 - 05:53 PM' timestamp='1280098402' post='2148009'] From his part of the world, it's cabbages. [/quote] Actually, when I was little, I thought babies came from hospitals--you just go to the hospital and they hand them out. After all, the mom goes to the hospital and comes home with a new baby. I guess you need the stork and cabbage theories because home births are much more common outside the U.S. Edited July 26, 2010 by IgnatiusofLoyola Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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