HisChildForever Posted July 23, 2010 Author Share Posted July 23, 2010 [quote name='IgnatiusofLoyola' date='23 July 2010 - 01:55 AM' timestamp='1279864559' post='2146658'] I guess you could give the host to the nearest dog. JUST KIDDING!!! [/quote] This is not something we joke about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 [quote name='HisChildForever' date='23 July 2010 - 02:01 AM' timestamp='1279864873' post='2146665'] So "contaminated" could mean that He was desecrated? [/quote] Contaminated means lots of things. Someone not knowing what it was, might have opened it and dropped it on the floor, then put it back. Then again there's a ton of youtube video of what horrible people have done with the Eucharist. Could someone stolen the pyx and thought it would be funny to put LSD on it? My point is, none of us know what happened to it prior to you finding it. Slappo points out that its possible that its not even consecrated. (While he's right its possible, its very unlikely and no one would ever want to risk that) But on the same note, and its a small chance, someone could have done something to desecrate the host. Let's say it wasn't the Eucharist that you found. Let's say you found my sandwich that I lost. I might take that sandwich back and have it tomorrow. Then again, my imagination might take over about all that time the sandwich was out of my possession and yours. Chances are the sandwich is fine, but I don't know that for sure! You've done the absolute right thing. Returning it to your parish is the absolute right thing to do tomorrow. But I'm open to the possibility that a priest may not want to risk consuming a host that's been left unguarded until you found it. And proper disposal is perfectly acceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted July 23, 2010 Author Share Posted July 23, 2010 [quote name='hot stuff' date='23 July 2010 - 02:16 AM' timestamp='1279865814' post='2146671'] Let's say it wasn't the Eucharist that you found. Let's say you found my sandwich that I lost. I might take that sandwich back and have it tomorrow. Then again, my imagination might take over about all that time the sandwich was out of my possession and yours. Chances are the sandwich is fine, but I don't know that for sure! [/quote] The Host does not have to be refrigerated like your sandwich. Besides we are talking about the Body of Jesus Christ, not lunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 [quote name='hot stuff' date='23 July 2010 - 01:16 AM' timestamp='1279865814' post='2146671'] Contaminated means lots of things. Someone not knowing what it was, might have opened it and dropped it on the floor, then put it back.[/quote] Am I the only one who is not terribly concerned about eating something that has fallen on the floor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 [quote name='zunshynn' date='23 July 2010 - 02:01 AM' timestamp='1279864911' post='2146666'] A number of years ago, a non-Catholic woman came to Mother Angelica when she was giving a talk in some place in New York, and told her she had "something Catholic" she didn't know what to do with. She operated a retreat house of some kind, and at one point a priest celebrated mass and left hosts there, but then they had no priest come again for a long time, and being non-Catholic and having no idea what to do with them, eventually she saw they were spoiling, and buried them. When she heard Mother Angelica talking about the Blessed Sacrament, she realized that's what they were, and told Mother. Mother asked her to take her and show her where the hosts were so she did, and they dug them up. They were filthy, having been there for almost three years, but Reverend Mother and the priest that was with her carefully separated everything that they could identify as possibly being a part of a host and consumed everything. And with everything else, the dirt and the paper bag that they had been in, they burned it, and she placed the ashes in a small urn and then placed that inside the tabernacle cloister. Do you think she was worried about contamination? No. Did she know what had happened to them? No. What she did know was that her Lord and her Spouse was there, that this was the Bread of Angels and she could only think of doing reparation to Him. So that's what she did. THAT is respectful. THAT is how one treats the King of Kings. One does not "dispose" of Him because He "might be contaminated". [/quote] Zunshynn you need to calm down a bit This is from De Defectibus written by Pope Saint Pius V [quote][font="Arial"][color="#000000"][font="Arial"][color="#000000"][size="3"][size="3"] 35. If before the Consecration a fly or spider or anything else falls into the chalice, the priest is to pour out the wine in a suitable place, put other wine into the chalice, add a little water, offer it, as above, and continue the Mass. If after the Consecration a fly or something of the kind falls into the chalice, he is to take it out, wash it with wine, burn it after the Mass is over, and throw the ashes and the wine which was used for washing into the sacrarium.[/size][/size][/color][/font] [size="3"][size="3"] 36. If something poisonous falls into the chalice after the Consecration, or something that would cause vomiting, the consecrated wine is to be poured into another chalice, with water added until the chalice is full, so that the species of wine will be dissolved; and this water is to be poured out into the sacrarium. Other wine, together with water, is to be brought and consecrated.[/size][/size] [size="3"][size="3"] 37. If anything poisonous touches the consecrated host, the priest is to consecrate another and consume it in the way that has been explained, while the first host is to be put into a chalice full of water and disposed of as was explained regarding the Blood in paragraph 36 above.[/size][/size] [size="3"] [/size] [size="3"][size="3"]40. If the consecrated host falls into the chalice, nothing is to be repeated on that account, but the priest is to continue the Mass, performing the ceremonies and making the usual signs of the Cross with the part of the host that is not moistened with the Blood, if he can conveniently do so. But if the entire host has become wet, he is not to take it out; he is to say everything as usual, omitting the signs of the Cross that pertain to the host alone, and he is to consume the Body and the Blood together, signing himself with the chalice and saying: [i]Corpus et Sanguis Domini nostri[/i], etc.[/size][/size] [size="3"][size="3"] 41. If the Blood freezes in the chalice in winter time, the chalice should be wrapped in cloths that have been warmed. If this is not enough, it should be placed in boiling water near the altar until the Blood melts, but care should be taken that none of the water gets into the chalice.[/size][/size] [size="3"][size="3"] 42. If any of the Blood of Christ falls, if it is only a drop or so, nothing need be done except to pour a little water over the spilled drops and dry it afterwards with a purificator. If more has been spilled, the corporal or the altar cloth or other place is to be washed in the best way possible, and the water is then to be poured into the sacrarium.[/size][/size] [size="3"][size="3"] 43. If, however, all the Blood is spilled after the Consecration, the little that remains is to be consumed, and the procedure described above is to be followed with the rest which has been spilled. But if none at all remains, the priest is to put wine and water into the chalice again and consecrate from the words [i]Simili modo, postquam cenatum est[/i], etc., after first making an offering of the chalice, as above.[/size][/size] [size="3"][size="3"] 44. If anyone vomits the Eucharist, the vomit is to be gathered up and disposed of in some decent place.[/size][/size] [/color][/font][/quote] The Church has rules on how the Eucharist needs to be taken care of. These are just a few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zunshynn Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 [quote name='hot stuff' date='23 July 2010 - 12:16 AM' timestamp='1279865814' post='2146671'] Contaminated means lots of things. Someone not knowing what it was, might have opened it and dropped it on the floor, then put it back. Then again there's a ton of youtube video of what horrible people have done with the Eucharist. Could someone stolen the pyx and thought it would be funny to put LSD on it?[/quote] You really think a host becomes contaminated when one is simply dropped on the floor? If I had ever found a host on the floor when I was a sacristan I would not have thought twice about consuming it, no matter where or how long after mass I had found it (unless there was a priest readily available, in which case it would be more appropriate for him to consume). [quote]Let's say it wasn't the Eucharist that you found. Let's say you found my sandwich that I lost. I might take that sandwich back and have it tomorrow. Then again, my imagination might take over about all that time the sandwich was out of my possession and yours. Chances are the sandwich is fine, but I don't know that for sure! [/quote] There is no reason to eat a sandwich that was lost and then found. There is every reason to consume the Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ if it is found after having been unaccounted for. You really can't compare a sandwich to the Blessed Sacrament and think that it would be normal to treat them in the same way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgnatiusofLoyola Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 [quote name='HisChildForever' date='23 July 2010 - 01:05 AM' timestamp='1279865154' post='2146669'] This is not something we joke about. [/quote] I'm sorry, I had no intention of causing offense. I will not do it again. At the same time, it would please me greatly if, in turn, posters on Phatmass would stop making fun of the Anglican church (even if it deserves it sometimes). (Not you HCF--you've never done that.) Again, I'm sincerely sorry that I offended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 [quote name='Resurrexi' date='23 July 2010 - 02:22 AM' timestamp='1279866155' post='2146674'] Am I the only one who is not terribly concerned about eating something that has fallen on the floor? [/quote] I wouldn't have a problem. I doubt this one has hit the floor it was found in a pyx. Which makes me highly doubt it has been contaminated. A small chance perhaps, but that point isn't worth hijacking this thread over. The point has been made lets move forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 [quote name='HisChildForever' date='23 July 2010 - 02:21 AM' timestamp='1279866068' post='2146672'] The Host does not have to be refrigerated like your sandwich. Besides we are talking about the Body of Jesus Christ, not lunch. [/quote] I agree about the refrigeration but I think you actually get my point. There are reasons that the Eucharist is guarded. [quote name='Resurrexi' date='23 July 2010 - 02:22 AM' timestamp='1279866155' post='2146674'] Am I the only one who is not terribly concerned about eating something that has fallen on the floor? [/quote] Then you've never been at a mass in an impoverished village where its highly likely pigs and chickens have been on the floor just before mass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 [quote name='hot stuff' date='23 July 2010 - 01:26 AM' timestamp='1279866386' post='2146675'] Zunshynn you need to calm down a bit This is from De Defectibus written by Pope Saint Pius V The Church has rules on how the Eucharist needs to be taken care of. These are just a few. [/quote] I've read[i] De Defectibus[/i] several times. Do you notice the extreme care taken for the Eucharist mandated by the document? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 [quote name='Resurrexi' date='23 July 2010 - 02:31 AM' timestamp='1279866690' post='2146681'] I've read[i] De Defectibus[/i] several times. Do you notice the extreme care taken for the Eucharist mandated by the document? [/quote] Kinda why I'm quoting it for Zunshynn The priest has procedures on what to do with a host that is contaminated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 [quote name='IgnatiusofLoyola' date='23 July 2010 - 01:28 AM' timestamp='1279866490' post='2146678'] I'm sorry, I had no intention of causing offense. I will not do it again. At the same time, it would please me greatly if, in turn, posters on Phatmass would stop making fun of the Anglican church (even if it deserves it sometimes). (Not you HCF--you've never done that.) Again, I'm sincerely sorry that I offended. [/quote] I used to make fun of Anglicans, then I realized that there were more then enough people in my own Church to ridicule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zunshynn Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 [quote name='hot stuff' date='23 July 2010 - 12:26 AM' timestamp='1279866386' post='2146675'] Zunshynn you need to calm down a bit This is from De Defectibus written by Pope Saint Pius V The Church has rules on how the Eucharist needs to be taken care of. These are just a few. [/quote] I am aware of De Defectibus. My point is, there is no reason to think this host, which was found securely in a pyx, has been poisoned or vomited on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 (edited) [quote name='zunshynn' date='23 July 2010 - 01:33 AM' timestamp='1279866817' post='2146684'] I am aware of De Defectibus. My point is, there is no reason to think this host, which was found securely in a pyx, has been poisoned or vomited on. [/quote] It is interesting that Jaim[s][/s]e omitted the part where it specifies that a Host is to be consumed even after it has fallen on the ground or on someone's clothing. Edited July 23, 2010 by Resurrexi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 [quote name='zunshynn' date='23 July 2010 - 02:33 AM' timestamp='1279866817' post='2146684'] I am aware of De Defectibus. My point is, there is no reason to think this host, which was found securely in a pyx, has been poisoned or vomited on. [/quote] The mere fact that it was left unprotected for who knows how long allows for a priest to think it may be contaminated. And disposing of it properly is not disrespectful. Its in fact respectful. Why? Its what the Church teaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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