Q About Modest Swimwear

[Sojourner]

[quote name='Socrates' date='19 July 2010 - 12:10 PM' timestamp='1279563058' post='2144965']
Basically, I don't think the exact same standards of modesty should be practiced around members of the same sex as with members of the opposite sex.
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I don't think it has anything to do with whether one is old-fashioned or not, and it has absolutely nothing to do with the origins of same-sex attraction and whether or not it is fixable or avoidable. I think it has everything to do with a proper understanding of the dual purpose of modesty -- on one hand, protecting the individual from lustful looks and thinking (of any stripe) and on the other aiding our siblings in Christ in living faithful and pure lives, both in thought and action.

That's the standard of modesty at work here, and I don't believe it changes depending on the situation.

[Cherie]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='19 July 2010 - 01:44 PM' timestamp='1279561447' post='2144940']
final tweek I hope

A Note on Modesty – As Christians we dress modestly so as to protect the purity of our brothers and sisters, and not place our own dignity in danger. Clothing must reflect a Christian atmosphere at all times. Shorts should be no more than 3 inches above the knee, no spaghetti straps, etc. I am not a "legalist" when it comes to clothing, basically, I just ask that you use common sense.

For Swimming: No bikinis. If you only own a bikini plan on wearing a t-shirt over it. Men should plan on wearing t-shirts while swimming. This is a common youth ministry practice.

Pack the clothing you need for the trip. Remember to bring warm clothes for overnight, and pack rain gear just in case. We will not cancel for rain.
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I think it sounds great!

[Socrates]

[quote name='Sacred Music Man' date='19 July 2010 - 02:16 PM' timestamp='1279563396' post='2144966']
Plus one. I also believe that the root of many problems in society concerns the disorder of time and place and reservation. Totally on base with your post. As for the latter part about SSA guys rooming with girls, there is no way to prove the guy is not "straight"
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Dang, I miss the old point system.
Yeah, that one makes an obvious premise for a bad teen comedy.

In a nutshell, what I'm getting at is: why can't things be like back in my grandparents' day, when the boys would all go skinny-dipping together in the ol' swimmin' hole after a hot summer's day work, and there wasn't anything sexual about it (much less worries over protecting boys with "SSA")? (And, of course, they'd frantically get back into their clothes before the girls came by.)

Maybe we can't go back. Absolutely everything's become sexualized, and we've lost the whole sense of propriety and sex differences, and sexual perversions are treated as a regular part of life.
It's a shame.

Edited July 19, 2010 by Socrates

[Sojourner]

[quote name='Socrates' date='19 July 2010 - 12:30 PM' timestamp='1279564202' post='2144975']
Dang, I miss the old point system.
Yeah, that one makes an obvious premise for a bad teen comedy.

In a nutshell, what I'm getting at is: why can't things be like back in my grandparents' day, when the boys would all go skinny-dipping together in the ol' swimmin' hole after a hot summer's day work, and there wasn't anything sexual about it (much less worries over protecting boys with "SSA")? (And, of course, they'd frantically get back into their clothes before the girls came by.)

Maybe we can't go back. Absolutely everything's become sexualized, and we've lost the whole sense of propriety and sex differences, and sexual perversions are treated as a regular part of life.
It's a shame.
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It's a fallacy to think that homosexuality wasn't around in your grandparents' day. It just wasn't talked about as openly.

Human beings have been sinful since Adam (except the one who was also Divine). There's a reason that there are verses about homosexuality in the Bible, and it isn't because our Christian forefathers lived in idyllic times when there was no sexual sin or immorality and they were just being proactive.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Terra Firma' date='19 July 2010 - 01:35 PM' timestamp='1279564540' post='2144978']
It's a fallacy to think that homosexuality wasn't around in your grandparents' day. It just wasn't talked about as openly.

Human beings have been sinful since Adam (except the one who was also Divine). There's a reason that there are verses about homosexuality in the Bible, and it isn't because our Christian forefathers lived in idyllic times when there was no sexual sin or immorality and they were just being proactive.
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Was it as much a social problem 50 years ago though? A private problem for sure, every sin is, but not a public problem. There were no gay pride parades, as far as I know, maybe because people weren't proud of it.

[Sojourner]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' date='19 July 2010 - 12:49 PM' timestamp='1279565360' post='2144983']
Was it as much a social problem 50 years ago though? A private problem for sure, every sin is, but not a public problem. There were no gay pride parades, as far as I know, maybe because people weren't proud of it.
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Perhaps not, but Socrates wasn't talking about public affirmation of homosexual behavior.

He'd like to swim naked with a bunch of his male friends without there being anything sexual to it, just like apparently his grandparents did. My point is that there's no guarantee there wasn't something sexual to it back in his grandparents' day ... it just may not have been voiced.

IMO lust is no less disturbing if it's not openly acknowledged, and it can be just as damaging to the individual who lusts even if it is never expressed. The level of social acceptance of a particular practice has no bearing on this particular issue, imo.

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='homeschoolmom' date='19 July 2010 - 01:53 PM' timestamp='1279562022' post='2144955']
Is it necessary to lame up every single thread?

Getting back to the swimwear conversation:[/quote]
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A passing display of friendship is not a thread hijack, nor is it lame, don't worry.

P.S. Don't be cruel to a heart that's true.

[quote name='Sacred Music Man' date='19 July 2010 - 02:07 PM' timestamp='1279562859' post='2144964']
You've been the one who was gone, bro. Tinychat tonight or something?
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I'm there. \\//,



Everybody,

What do you think of Modbe swimming suits? They market their stuff as modest, and I used to think it was, but now I dunno... I remember a thread about Modbe a couple years ago that's why I ask.

Peace.

[homeschoolmom]

link?

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='homeschoolmom' date='19 July 2010 - 02:57 PM' timestamp='1279565873' post='2144989']
link?
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http://www.modbeclothing.com/

P.S. I guess the company has changed hands or something.

[i]"DownEast plans to expand the Modbe line throughout the 2010-2011 calendar years with a commitment to the original Modbe traditions of high quality and modest styles at attractive pricepoints."[/i]

Maybe they have a different idea of what is modest because what I'm seeing is different from what I remember. Like, what happened to the swimming skirt things?

[IgnatiusofLoyola]

LandsEnd.com has a nice selection of relatively modest swimsuits for women. (They may also have modest swimsuits for men, too, but I never cared, so I've never looked.) They have plenty of one-piece suits, and also tankinis, which are two-piece suits where the bottom part goes up to the waist (and is not high cut at the leg), and the top part is long enough to cover the top of the bottom piece. So they look like a one-piece suit. Lands' End also has tankinis that come with a skirt or shorts. All of these are meant to be worn in the water, and are easy to swim in.

Not to be too graphic, but the advantage of a tankini for a woman is that it is easier to "use the facilities." With one-piece suits a woman has to practically disrobe. Also, with a tankini, you can mix and match tops and bottoms.

This is the end of the "swimsuit" season for Lands' End, so the suits are on sale right now. The best selection is around March/April. I haven't looked at what's left, but if the selection isn't as good, the prices should make up for that.

Teenage girls may consider some of the suits to be "old lady" suits, but most are not--I've been impressed. You can also mix and match tops and bottom for the tankinis, for a little different look.

Some of the tankini tops do have spagetti straps, but many don't. And, the tankini tops normally aren't too low cut. In fact, Lands' End has some high neck suits/tankini tops that are intended for women who wear inserts after a mastectomy, but they work just as well for any other woman, too, and the higher neck suits are surprisingly attractive, depending on design.

Lands' End suits are not as modest as Muslim suits, but, then again, we are not Muslims. At least Lands' End offers more modest options that are not available in most stores, especially if the girls complain that there are no attractive, but modest swimsuits available.

Lands' End usually also has some swimsuit cover-ups that are modest, yet feminine, for wearing out of the water.

I've never heard of requiring young men to wear T-shirts, especially since most teenage boys are not "ripped," but kinda skinny and not filled out yet. However, if everyone, male and female, is required to wear T-shirts, then the same rule applies to everyone, and no one is singled out.

Alternatively, I would be willing to make an appearance at the trip in a tankini. I think that would quickly lower the level of lust. In fact, I kid that I have been paid to put my swimsuit cover-up back on. [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif[/img]

Some of my most fun teen memories were church group trips. But, I think they are more fun for the kids than the chaperones. LOL We didn't have these swimsuit restrictions, but, on the other hand, it was a different time and swimsuits were generally more modest.

Have fun!

[homeschoolmom]

My dd's suit came from Land's End.

[MIKolbe]

I try to stay away from the ocean or other open water...even though they have outlawed whaling, i still feel uncomfortable.

[HisChildForever]

I wear a bikini or tankini top and boy short bottoms - no one can see me in my backyard. In public, either a cover-up on the beach or a tank top in the ocean. A full body suit is too excessive imo.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='Terra Firma' date='19 July 2010 - 11:24 AM' timestamp='1279563883' post='2144970']
I don't think it has anything to do with whether one is old-fashioned or not, and it has absolutely nothing to do with the origins of same-sex attraction and whether or not it is fixable or avoidable. I think it has everything to do with a proper understanding of the dual purpose of modesty -- on one hand, protecting the individual from lustful looks and thinking (of any stripe) and on the other aiding our siblings in Christ in living faithful and pure lives, both in thought and action.

That's the standard of modesty at work here, and I don't believe it changes depending on the situation.
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agreed, and what i wanted to say, but couldn't. haha

[Lil Red]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='19 July 2010 - 11:56 AM' timestamp='1279565797' post='2144987']
Everybody,

What do you think of Modbe swimming suits? They market their stuff as modest, and I used to think it was, but now I dunno... I remember a thread about Modbe a couple years ago that's why I ask.

Peace.
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used to be a lot more modest...now, not so much (imho)