Hip Hop In Mass

[dUSt]

[quote name='exploring' date='Apr 27 2004, 09:43 AM'] I think a lot of good comes from holding hands and I feel filled with Christ's love through the members of the community. [/quote]
This is exactly why holding hands is misleading. You should be focused on Christ's love through the Eucharist--not the community (at this specific point in the mass).

The GIRM is the "General Instruction of the Roman Missal". It's basically the instruction book for mass.

Please see this link taken from the USCCB website:
[url="http://www.usccb.org/liturgy/q&a/mass/orans.htm"]http://www.usccb.org/liturgy/q&a/mass/orans.htm[/url]

[i]"...the Bishops’ Committee on the Liturgy expressed a strong preference for the orans gesture over the holding of hands since the focus of the Lord’s Prayer is a prayer to the Father and not primarily an expression of community and fellowship."[/i]

I don't mean to come off as some type of dude who is only worried about "rules and regulations", but after careful study, I've come to understand the spiritual and theological reasons of [b]why[/b] the rules are in place. In this understanding, I've only grown closer to Jesus Christ, who is the Way, the Truth, and the Life.

God bless.

[Pontifex]

The Sign of Peace is a symbol of the Healing that needs to take place in the human family. It also is a good way to welcome the stranger. However, we cannot get out of hand with this one, because we are in the presence of the Passion of Christ at that moment. We are at Calvary, so to speak, and should maintain an attitude of reverance and respect. It shouldn't be, "Oh girl, I just love that dress. We gettin together after this?" Peace be with you, and then back to the Altar.


Fr. Pontifex

[traichuoi]

[quote name='Pontifex' date='Apr 27 2004, 03:50 PM'] "Oh girl, I just love that dress. We gettin together after this?" Peace be with you, and then back to the Altar.


Fr. Pontifex [/quote]
and this is why Fr. Pontifex is cool...any questions?

[nikkan_hanil]

Someone send this to the Vatican, this debate is starting to get old.

[ilovechrist]

you really think the Vatican would come out with a statement on hiphop in Mass? .. they just might

[dUSt]

[quote name='nikkan_hanil' date='Apr 27 2004, 07:47 PM'] Someone send this to the Vatican, this debate is starting to get old. [/quote]
It's not a debate, it's a dialogue. haha

[nikkan_hanil]

>_<;

[flip]

check it out...

there is something amazing about breaking the large communion wafer and sharing it with all. we all take the Eucharist as a FAMILY. that's why it is distributed to the entire congregation. we are all taking the body of Christ as a FAMILY, as Sons and Daughters of God. the "Our Father" starts with "OUR father" not "MY father"... WE are all at Calvary watching OUR Father recieve His son, OUR ELDEST BROTHER, as a sacrifice. Communion is all about OUR father nourishing us. His Covenant is with HIS FAMILY. OUR Father is about HIS CHILDREN...

we are not the only child in this family... we have BROTHERS and SISTERS that are gathered around the family table waiting to be nourished by OUR Lords body. We await this meal together. This meal is not just me and my Father. This meal is OUR FATHER feeding HIS CHILDREN. That's the point of a meal now isn't it?

Community and the Eucharist can not be seperated. If it was supposed to be seprerated, then we would recieive the Eucharist on a one on one basis, like Reconciliation - don't get it twisted, Dust... there is a reason why the community takes the Eucharist as a community... BTW, im getting these ideas from Scott Hahn.

[dUSt]

lol

I know dude. The community is very important. I'm just saying that the mind during the consecration should be focused on Christ. The reason we don't hold hands is to differentiate between the communion between us and God, and the communion between us and our neighbors. True, we are all one body, but there are times where we have to focus on our personal relationship with Jesus Christ. haha.... I said personal relationship with Jesus Christ... Why am I starting to sound more Protestant than you? lol

[follow_the_pelican]

[quote]haha.... I said personal relationship with Jesus Christ... Why am I starting to sound more Protestant than you? lol [/quote]

ha, ha, ha, what could be more personal then consuming him?
Body, Blood, and devinity...OUR CHURCH ROCKS!!!

[exploring]

Well, dUSt, there's only one question left then...

Have you accepted Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior?

[dUSt]

[quote name='exploring' date='Apr 29 2004, 07:59 PM'] Have you accepted Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior? [/quote]
Yes, indeed I have.

[exploring]

Well then...

You're SAVED! You've just received a get out of hell free card!

[Oik]

I live were there is a "hip-hop" church community. It is devestating.

First Commandment.

Why does this connect? Because obedience is greater than sacrifice.
Liturgical Hip hop is not only and appaling (sp?) idea, but would work against the One, Holy, [b]Catholic[/b], and Apostolic Church. I stress catholic, because we are God's universal church. Hip-hop does not express that. The whole idea causes a diobedience to God's teaching.

As for Catholic salvation, we have been saved, we are being saved, and we will be saved.