KnightofChrist Posted July 19, 2010 Share Posted July 19, 2010 Sigh I have no time for this now, maybe later when I have nothing else to do. Good luck USAir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted July 19, 2010 Share Posted July 19, 2010 [quote name='JimR-OCDS' date='19 July 2010 - 04:02 PM' timestamp='1279573344' post='2145090'] The question in the OP was, "Should abortion be made illegal. I'm asking; If you think it should be made illegal, then provide how you would write a law which specifies the penalty for those who violate it? If you think it should be made illegal, how do you get others to vote a law with the penalties you've prescribed ? Sorry if my questions on the issue upsets you, but its the topic of this thread. Jim [/quote] Do you think abortion should be made illegal? I will accept three answers. Yes, no, and the anarchy position in which you believe there should be no laws whatsoever on any issue. I have a feeling you don't like the third option. So, if you answer yes, then answer your own question. If you answer no, justify yourself with Catholic morals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark of the Cross Posted July 19, 2010 Share Posted July 19, 2010 [quote name='KnightofChrist' date='20 July 2010 - 07:57 AM' timestamp='1279569459' post='2145041'] The Abortion "Doctors" are clearly murder[b]er[/b]s, [/quote] Phixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted July 19, 2010 Share Posted July 19, 2010 [quote name='Mark of the Cross' date='19 July 2010 - 07:23 PM' timestamp='1279581798' post='2145162'] Phixed. [/quote] Thank you brother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted July 19, 2010 Share Posted July 19, 2010 (edited) nvm Edited July 19, 2010 by Winchester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintOfVirtue Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 In case you were wondering here's a list of businesses/corporations that support Planned Parenthood as of November 2009. [quote] 3M Abbott Laboratories Fund Accenture Foundation, Inc ACE INA Foundation Acrometal Companies, Inc Adaptec, Inc ADC Telecommunications ADP Foundation Advantis Aetna Foundation AES Corporation AGIA, Inc Agribank, FCB Air Products & Chemicals, Inc Akzo Nobel Inc Albertson's Inc Alco Standard Corp Alcoa Foundation Alliance Capital Management Corp Alliant Energy Foundation Alliant Techsystems, Inc Allianz Life Insurance Co Allied Corp Amerada Hess Corporation American Express Company American Express Financial Advisors Inc American Express Foundation American Express Minnesota American Medical Assoc American Standard, Inc Ameritech Corporation (Now SBC Communications Amgen Foundation Analysts International Corp - Minneapolis Andrew Corporation Anheuser Busch Foundation Antioch Companies/Webway AON Foundation Archer-Daniels-Midland (ADM) Company Archie & Bertha Walker Foundation ARCO Ashland, Inc. Aspect Global Giving Astra Merck, Inc AT & T Foundation ATC A-TEK ATK Sporting Equipment Aurthur J. Gallagher Foundation Automatic Data Processing Inc Avaya Communication Avecia, Inc Aventis Aventis Pharmaceuticals (Sanofi Pasteur) Avon Products, Inc AXA Foundation Bakers Square Restaurants BankAmerica Corp Bankers Trust Company Bank of America Corp Banta Corporation Foundation Bartlett & West Engineers, Inc BASF Corporation Beatrice Companies, Inc. Bechtel Foundation Bell Hibert Associates Bemis Company Foundation Best Products Foundation BF Goodrich Company Black & Decker Corp Blandin Foundation Bloomingdale's Blount Foundation BMC Industries, Inc Boeing</option> Bonz on the River Borden Foundation BP America, Inc BP (Formerly Amoco) BP Matching Fund Braun Intertec Corp Briggs and Morgan Bristol-Meyers Co Brown Foundation, The BTD Manufacturing, Inc Bunge Corp Burlington Northern Sata Fe Railway Co Burnswick Corp Burroughs Wellcome Company Butler Manufacturing Company Café Latte CAN Insurance Cos. Candle Foundation, The Cargill Matching Gift Program Case Corporation Caterpillar Foundation Celestica Corporation CertainTeed Corp Cessna Foundation, Inc > Champion International Corp Charles Schwab & Company, Inc ChartHouse International Chase Manhattan Corp Chemical Bank Cherne Contracting Corp Chevron Corp Chicago Title and Trust Company Foundation Children's Country Day School Chubb & Son, Inc Chubb Life Insurance Company of America CIGNA Foundation Ciprico, Inc Cisco Corporation Citicorp/Citibank, N.A Citigroup Foundation Clariant Corporation Clarica Clark Construction Group, Inc CMS Hartzell, Inc. Coca-Cola Company Colgate-Palmolive Co. Community First Bankshares, Inc. Community First National Bank Compaq Computer Corporation Computer Associates International, Inc. Computer City Supercenters Computer Network Technology Corporation Con Agra Processing Companies Consolidated Papers Foundation, Inc. Consumers Energy Foundation Continental Corp., The Cooper Industries, Inc. Corning Incorporated Foundation County Seat Stores, Inc. Cray Research, Inc. Crocus Dental Technology Cytec Industries, Inc. DEKALB Genetics Foundation Del Monte Corp. Delphi Automotive Systems Delta Airlines Foundation Deluxe Check Printers, Inc. Deluxe Corporation Foundation Digital Equipment Corp. Display Sales Diversified Pharmaceutical Services Dominion Foundation Donaldson Co. Dougherty Financial Group, LLC Dougherty Summit Securities, LLC Dow Corning Corporation Duke Energy Eastern Enterprises Eaton Corporation Eckerd Corporation Ecolab Foundation E-funds Elf Atochem North American Foundation Eli Lilly and Company Foundation Emerson Electric Co. Empak, Inc. Enron Corp. Envirovac Equitable Life Assurance Society Ernst & Young Foundation ET Nurse Consultants PA ExxonMobil Foundation Exxon Corporation Fair, Isaac and Company, Inc. Fannie Mae Foundation Federated Department Stores, Inc. Fel-Pro Fingerhut Companies, Inc. Fireman's Fund Insurance Company First Data Corporation First Data Resource First National Bank of Minneapolis First Union Corporation Fisher Nut Company Fluor Corporation Fluoroware, Inc. FM Global Foundation Ford Motor Co. Fortis Companies Foster Higgins & Co., Inc. Foster Wheeler, Inc Frontier Communications Gannett Communities Fund Gap Foundation, The Gate City Bank GEICO General Cinema Corp. General Electric Company General Mills Foundation General Motors Corporation General Re Corporation Georgia-Pacific Corp. Gillette Glaxo GlaxoSmithKline Foundation Glazco, Inc. GMAC-RFC Golden Valley Microwave Foods Goodrich Corporation Goodyear Tire & Rubber Co. Graco Foundation Great West Casualty Company Green Tree Finance Foundation GTE Corp. Guidant Foundation Gulf Oil Corp. Halleland, Lewis, Nilan Sipkins & Johnson Hallmark Cards, Inc Harsco Corporation Fund Hartford Insurance Foundation Hartford Steam Boiler Inspection & Insurance Company Hartzell Manufacturing, Inc. Henry A. Bromelkamp & Co. Heublein Foundation, Inc. Hewlett-Packard Co. Hickory Tech Corporation Foundation Highland Resources Highline Distributing, Inc. H.J. Heinz Company Foundation Hoescht Celanese Corp. Home Depot, The Honeywell, Inc. Hormel Foods Corporation Houghton Mifflin Company Household International H & R Block, Inc. Hubbard Broadcasting Hunter Douglas, Inc. IBC Foundation IBM Corp. IKON Office Solutions Foundation IMC Fertilizer, Inc. IMCERA ING Foundation Ingersoll Rand Company Inktek Plastics, Inc. Interlake Foundation, The International Design Center International Multifoods Corp. International Paper INVEST Financial Corporation ITT Corporation ITW - Illinois Tool Works JC Penney Co., Inc. J & H Marsh & McLennan Javelin Solutions Jiffy Lube John G. Kinnard & Co. John Hancock Mutual Life Insurance Company Johnson & Higgins Johnson & Johnson Family of Companies Johnson Controls, Inc. Johnstech International Corporation Joseph Seagram & Sons, Inc. Jostens, Inc. J.P. Morgan & Co., Inc. Karlsson Consulting Kellogg Company Kemper Kemper National Insurance Companies Kennametal Foundation KFC Kimberly-Clark Corp. King Controls Kirkland & Ellis Kmart Corp. Kraft Foods, Inc. Land O' Lakes Foundation Larkin, Hoffman, Daly & Lindgren, Ltd. Lawyer's Title Insurance Leo Burnett Company Levi Strauss & Co. Lexis-Nexis Lexmark International, Inc. Link Belt Construction Equip Little, Brown & Co. Lloyd's Food Products, Inc. Lockheed Martin Corp. Lotus Corporation Lucent Technologies Lutheran Brotherhood Macromedia Macy's MA Hanna Company Manhattan Life Insurance Co., The Manulife Financial Maritz, Inc. Marquette Bancshares, Inc. Marquette Bank - Minneapolis Martin Marietta Corp. Masco Corporation Massachusetts Mutual Life Insurance Maurices, Inc. May Department Store Company, The Maytag Company, The McDonald's Corp. MCG/Healthcare McGraw-Hill Foundation, Inc. McKesson Corporation McKnight Foundation McNeely Foundation, The M D U Resources Foundation MEDTOX Laboratories, Inc. Medtronic, Inc. Merck Company Foundation Meridian Insurance Co. Meredith Corporation Merit Oil Corp. Merrill Lynch & Company Foundation Metris Companies Foundation Michaud, Cooley & Erickson Michigan Bell Telephone Company MicroAssist, Inc. Microsoft Corp. Midcontinent Media Foundation Minnegasco Minnesota Mutual Life MMI Companies, Inc. Monsanto Fund MONY Life Insurance Company Morgan Construction Co. Motorola Foundation MSI Insurance MTS Systems Corp. Murphy Oil USA, Inc. Mutual Group (U.S.), The Mutual of New York Nabisco Foods Group Nalco Chemical Company National City Bank Foundation National Computer Systems National Instruments Corporation National Starch and Chemical Foundation, Inc. NationsBank NCR Corporation Nemadji Research Corporation New Culture Center in the Midwest Newsweek New York Life Insurance Co. New York Times Co. North American Coal Corp. Northwest Airlines Northwestern Mutual Insurance Novartis US Foundation NRG-Natural Resource Group NSP NSP-WI NYNEX Family of Companies Object Technology, Inc. Olin Corp Olive Garden, The Omron Foundation, Inc. Ondeo Nalco Oracle Matching Gifts Osmonics, Inc. Otter Tail Power Co. Otis Elevator Co. Owen Healthcare, Inc Pan-American Life Insurance Co. Pella Corporation Pella Rolscreen Foundation Pennzoil Company PepsiCo Foundation, Inc. Pfizer, Inc. Pharmacia Corp. Philips Electronics North American Philip Morris Companies, Inc. Pioneer Hi Bred International Pitney Bowes, Inc. Pizza Hut Plum Creek Timber Company PNC Bank Foundation Potlach Corporation PPG Industries Precision Industrial Automation Prentice Hall Proctor & Gamble Co. Prudential Foundation, The Public Strategies Group, The Quad Graphics Quaker Chemical Corp. Quaker Oats Foundation, The R.J. Reynolds Industries, Inc. R.R. Donnelley & Sons Company Radio Shack Ralston Purina Company Rasmussen Millwork, Inc. Raytheon Company RBC Dain Rauscher Foundation Reader's Digest Foundation Reliastar Foundation Remmele Engineering, Inc. Residential Funding Corp. Resource Companies, The Retek, Inc. Reuters America, Inc. Richfield Bank & Trust Co. Ridgedale Electric, Inc. RJR Nabisco, Inc. Rockefeller Group, Inc. Rockler Companies, Inc. Rockwell International Company Rosemount, Inc. Ryan Construction Company of Minnesota SAFECO Insurance Companies Safety-Kleen Sallie Mae Sauer-Sundstrand SBC Foundation (Formerly Ameritech) Schering Plough Corp SCICOM Data Services Science Applications Intl Corp S C Johnson & Son, Inc. Seafirst Bank Seagate Technology, Inc. Sedgwick James of Minnesota Sentry Foundation Shearson Lehman Hutton Sheldahl Shell Oil Company Foundation Sherwin Williams Foundation Siemens Energy & Automation Silicon Graphics SmithKline Beecham Foundation Sony Corporation of America Spectrum Colors Sprint Foundation SPX Corp. Square D Foundation Squibb Corp. St. Paul Bank of Cooperatives St. Paul Companies, Inc. Standard Oil Company, The Stanley Works, The Star Tribune State Farm Insurance Companies Stirtz, Bernards & Company, PA Sulzer Spine-Tech Sun Microsystems Foundation SuperValu Stores, Inc. Susan G. Komen Foundation SYSCO Corporation Taco Bell Tandy Corp. TCF Foundation Tektronix, Inc. Telcordia Technologies Tellabs Operations, Inc. Temple-Inland Foundation Tennant Companies Foundation Tenneco, Inc. Texaco, Inc. Texas Instruments Foundation Textron Charitable Trust Thermo King Company Thrivant Financial for Lutherans Time, Inc. Time Warner Times Mirror Company, The Toro Foundation, The Towers Perrin Trane Company, The Transamerica Corp. Travel Ways Travelers Express Company, Inc. TRW, Inc. T. Rowe Price Associates, Inc. Turner Corporation TurnQuist, Inc U.S. Bancorp U.S. Bank UFE, Inc Unilever United States, Inc Unisource Worldwide, Inc United Defense United Technologies Corp Universal Hospital Services, Inc UNUM Provident Corporation, Inc UPS Foundation Upjohn Co US Air, Inc U.S. Bank Piper Jaffray Companies, Inc US West and Its Family of Companies USG Foundation Vanguard Group, Inc VERITAS Software Verizon Foundation Voyageur Asset Management, LLC W.W. Grainger, Inc Waste Management, Inc Wausau Insurance Co WCCO AM/TV-WLTE FM Weisman Enterprises, Inc Wells Fargo & Co. West Group Western Life Insurance Co Westinghouse Companies, Inc Williams Companies, Inc WMX Technologies Inc. Woodburn Group, Inc. Words at Work, Inc. Xcel Energy Foundation Xerox Corp. Zelle, Hoffmann, Voelbel & Gette, LLP Zero-Max, Inc [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 I know at least one Kennedteria Catholic who will use this as a checklist of businesses to frequent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Vincent Vega Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 [quote name='Winchester' date='19 July 2010 - 08:54 PM' timestamp='1279587267' post='2145184'] I know at least one Kennedteria Catholic who will use this as a checklist of businesses to frequent. [/quote] The problem is...how do you get around some of them? Murphy, BP, Shell, and Exxon all popped out at me on the list...you've got to fill up somewhere. I notice both the Delta Air Lines Foundation and US Airways, Inc. are on the donor list. The sad thing is that the modern air traveller is a slave to the cheapest fare (which is, by and large, why the industry is the way it is today). It would be nice if we could avoid all of these companies, but in some cases (like the gasoline instance), we don't have much of a choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimR-OCDS Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 Nihil Obstat [i]Do you think abortion should be made illegal? [/i]If I had my druthers, yes and I would like it if everyone would accept Catholic teaching on abortion and we could make a law that is enforceable . But I live in the real world where many do not share my beliefs. [i]I will accept three answers. Yes, no, and the anarchy position in which you believe there should be no laws whatsoever on any issue. [/i] You don't know what I believe so just stick to what you believe and we'll be better at discussing the issue. [i]I have a feeling you don't like the third option. [/i]Your feelings are yours, not mine. However, we in the USA don't live under anarchy, but in a country with laws. In order to make something illegal, you have to make a law and that law has to have weight behind it or else its meaningless. [i]So, if you answer yes, then answer your own question. [/i] I do not believe its possible to write a law here in the USA to make early term abortions illegal and get it through congress. I do not believe that people in general, would want to see doctors who perform such abortions prosecuted as murderers, for as I've pointed out before, the majority do not see such early abortions in the pre-viable stage, as murder. It doesn't matter what we believe. Our beliefs can only be made into law with the majority supporting the law. So, I don't think its possible in the USA. [i]If you answer no, justify yourself with Catholic morals. [/i] Adhering to Catholic morals and trying to write them into secular laws where the political body as a whole does not accept those moral beliefs' is not possible, unless you can convince them to vote against their own beliefs. You could no more get birth control banned even though its based on Catholic moral teaching. Jews and Muslims make up a good percentage of people in the medical profession, so no way are they going to send their own to prison for something they don't believe to be immoral. Today the Catholic Church's moral standing is pretty much scoffed at by the majority of our society, especially in light of the sexual abuse scandal. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimR-OCDS Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 (edited) [quote name='USAirwaysIHS' date='19 July 2010 - 11:01 PM' timestamp='1279591302' post='2145236'] The problem is...how do you get around some of them? Murphy, BP, Shell, and Exxon all popped out at me on the list...you've got to fill up somewhere. I notice both the Delta Air Lines Foundation and US Airways, Inc. are on the donor list. The sad thing is that the modern air traveller is a slave to the cheapest fare (which is, by and large, why the industry is the way it is today). It would be nice if we could avoid all of these companies, but in some cases (like the gasoline instance), we don't have much of a choice. [/quote] Do they directly fund Planned Parenthood or directly fund abortions, or do they fund things line the United Way, which may give financial support to PP? I don't know if PP is a 501c Charity. If not, businesses wouldn't donate to them directly, because it wouldn't be tax deductible. Jim Edited July 20, 2010 by JimR-OCDS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIKolbe Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 planned Parenthood is a 501(c)3 organization, with some entities of it being a 501(c)4, which is not-for-profit. Contributions are tax deductable. i could only find this from 2005.. [img]http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n129/corsetti3/pp.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimR-OCDS Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 [quote name='MIkolbe' date='20 July 2010 - 11:14 AM' timestamp='1279635270' post='2145411'] planned Parenthood is a 501©3 organization, with some entities of it being a 501©4, which is not-for-profit. Contributions are tax deductable. i could only find this from 2005.. [img]http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n129/corsetti3/pp.jpg[/img] [/quote] Thanks for the info Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 [quote name='JimR-OCDS' date='20 July 2010 - 08:39 AM' timestamp='1279633171' post='2145407'] Nihil Obstat [i]Do you think abortion should be made illegal? [/i]If I had my druthers, yes and I would like it if everyone would accept Catholic teaching on abortion and we could make a law that is enforceable . But I live in the real world where many do not share my beliefs. [i]I will accept three answers. Yes, no, and the anarchy position in which you believe there should be no laws whatsoever on any issue. [/i] You don't know what I believe so just stick to what you believe and we'll be better at discussing the issue. [i]I have a feeling you don't like the third option. [/i]Your feelings are yours, not mine. However, we in the USA don't live under anarchy, but in a country with laws. In order to make something illegal, you have to make a law and that law has to have weight behind it or else its meaningless. [i]So, if you answer yes, then answer your own question. [/i] I do not believe its possible to write a law here in the USA to make early term abortions illegal and get it through congress. I do not believe that people in general, would want to see doctors who perform such abortions prosecuted as murderers, for as I've pointed out before, the majority do not see such early abortions in the pre-viable stage, as murder. It doesn't matter what we believe. Our beliefs can only be made into law with the majority supporting the law. So, I don't think its possible in the USA. [i]If you answer no, justify yourself with Catholic morals. [/i] Adhering to Catholic morals and trying to write them into secular laws where the political body as a whole does not accept those moral beliefs' is not possible, unless you can convince them to vote against their own beliefs. You could no more get birth control banned even though its based on Catholic moral teaching. Jews and Muslims make up a good percentage of people in the medical profession, so no way are they going to send their own to prison for something they don't believe to be immoral. Today the Catholic Church's moral standing is pretty much scoffed at by the majority of our society, especially in light of the sexual abuse scandal. Jim [/quote] That's a lot of double-spaced doubletalk. Are you in politics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 [quote name='JimR-OCDS' date='20 July 2010 - 09:39 AM' timestamp='1279633171' post='2145407'] Today the Catholic Church's moral standing is pretty much scoffed at by the majority of our society, especially in light of the sexual abuse scandal. [/quote] So what? It seems to me that your argument is based on the position "if it can't be changed easily, it isn't worth working towards." Am I perceiving that correctly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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