The Ppc

[IgnatiusofLoyola]

[quote name='vee8' date='09 July 2010 - 08:41 PM' timestamp='1278726063' post='2140289']
Hmmm I have no idea how blue became the color commonly associated with Mary, maybe it was from some apparition [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/think_head.gif[/img]

That's awesome you got to play Mary too! Former Mary actresses group hug [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/grouphug.gif[/img] At least you wore a petticoat on your head playing pretend and not pettipants! [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/lol.gif[/img] Wearing pettipants on ones head would be something i'd do [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/sweat.gif[/img] I don't remember playing nun as a child because i had never seen a real life habited nun so it wasn't on my radar at all.
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I don't remember seeing any nuns in real life, but I saw pictures and heard about them. There are Episcopalian nuns, so becoming a nun myself was a possibility, although it was never discussed that much. We had neighbors and friends who went to the local Catholic school, and they would talk a lot about the nuns.

Also, my late aunt was a convert to Catholicism, and was the type who gives converts a bad name because she was always so "obvious" in her holiness. She truly was a good woman. She was a former nurse until she had children, and after her children were grown, she volunteered as part of a program that would bring badly deformed children from Latin American countries to the U.S., and doctors at Stanford would perform reconstructive surgery for free. The children would live at my aunt's house (usually with their mother, as well) after they were out of the hospital, and getting well enough for the next in what was usually a series of operations that took months.

If only my aunt hadn't "talked" so much about all the wonderful Sisters she knew and how often she went to church, etc. I think her example was one of the reasons why I've always believed so strongly in doing good "by stealth." Somehow, to me, because my aunt talked so much about all the wonderful "Catholic" things she did, it made them less meaningful, especially because she talked about them with family members she knew weren't Catholic. But, interestingly, this aunt WAS my godmother.

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[quote name='IgnatiusofLoyola' date='09 July 2010 - 09:01 PM' timestamp='1278727278' post='2140302']
If only my aunt hadn't "talked" so much about all the wonderful Sisters she knew and how often she went to church, etc. I think her example was one of the reasons why I've always believed so strongly in doing good "by stealth." Somehow, to me, because my aunt talked so much about all the wonderful "Catholic" things she did, it made them less meaningful, especially because she talked about them with family members she knew weren't Catholic. But, interestingly, this aunt WAS my godmother.
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What a wonderful story about your aunt! Half the time Im on here Im on my ipod so I cant type as much as Id like because it takes forever, the other half of the time I can get on the computer when no one is around (like now) and type much faster! That said I like reading long posts. Maybe your aunt talked about those things because she was excited about them and just couldnt keep it inside, and she didnt realize you found it annoying.

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LC all those pics of Thomas are fantastic! very excellent for the chapel although Im not sure they would all fit unless our "chapel" is bigger than I imagine the average chapel to be! Now I must see what I can find for Carmelite decorations

Edited July 10, 2010 by vee8

[IgnatiusofLoyola]

[quote name='vee8' date='09 July 2010 - 09:30 PM' timestamp='1278729004' post='2140327']
What a wonderful story about your aunt! Half the time Im on here Im on my ipod so I cant type as much as Id like because it takes forever, the other half of the time I can get on the computer when no one is around (like now) and type much faster! That said I like reading long posts. Maybe your aunt talked about those things because she was excited about them and just couldnt keep it inside, and she didnt realize you found it annoying.

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LC all those pics of Thomas are fantastic! [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/twothumbsup.gif[/img] very excellent for the chapel although Im not sure they would all fit unless our "chapel" is bigger than I imagine the average chapel to be! Now I must see what I can find for Carmelite decorations [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/D.gif[/img]
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I know you're giving my aunt the "benefit of the doubt" which is something I try to do, and don't always succeed.

I don't think my aunt was a bad person, I think she was just clueless about how she was coming across. I'm sure she was excited about what she was doing, but there are ways to talk about what you're doing that don't make you sound like you are "patting yourself on the back" when you talk about them.

Unfortunately, I am not the only one who had this reaction. And, I give much more leeway to someone who is very young or who is very new in their Catholic faith. My aunt, on the other hand, converted as a teenager after she was sent to a local Catholic girls high school, and so she had more than 70 years of being Catholic by the time she died.

As I said before, my aunt was a very good woman. But, I see her as an object lesson that somehow we have to balance living faithful and godly lives, and yet, at the same time, remain humble. Some of the greatest people I have known ("great" in very different ways) have been the most humble.

My mother (who is not religious, but not anti-Catholic) said to me recently, "Sister Helen (my friend from across the street) is the closest thing to a saint we're ever going to meet." Sister Helen had only one conversation with my mother, more than 10 years ago, and yet she made a huge impression on my mother. But, if I ever told Sister Helen that my mother and I both consider her a saint, she would laugh and (truly) not believe I meant what I said. THAT'S the way to be a Catholic and to be a light to the world--to give to others and yet remain sincerely humble. I suspect Sister Helen may have always been that way, but 60 years in religious life probably hasn't hurt, either.

Note on the PCC Carmelite art: Talk to JTeresa. She already is planning a separate small chapel devoted to Mary (with the community chapel devoted to St. Joseph--who I agreed was an excellent choice). From her description, JTeresa's Mary chapel will be very Carmelite in nature.

Those of us of Dominican tendencies are going to have to speak up, or the whole community will be Carmelite/Benedictine, with a little St. Francis thrown in if we have tree houses. My only "Dominican-like" contribution so far has been that the library will be large, with an excellent collection, and that the cells (and hermitages) need to have desks. So, speak up L-C!

Also, no matter what anyone else wears, my habit won't be black or brown, and will probably be at least mostly white. Maybe I can copy the Sisters of Life habit, but use a different shade of blue--or maybe purple or very dark red. Unfortunately light blue will still show stains. But, it will definitely have a cape!

In any case, I may institute my own "tradition" for the community that we have special "apron-like" smocks (similar to the work smocks of the Summit, NJ Dominicans) that we ALL wear during meals, as a way to cut back on cleaning costs and thus, be both frugal and ecological. Even for those with darker habits, it is not respectful to get food stains on one's scapular (of whatever color). [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/eat.gif[/img] We can even call them "Polly's pinnies" or something else equally stupid.

Edited July 10, 2010 by IgnatiusofLoyola

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Ok for Carmelite decorations Id like that Teresa and the tambourine icon in the chapel especially if we can find pics of other saints playing instruments too and put them in a grouping.

In the chapel as well, or maybe library would be better, I'd like this picture.

[img]http://blog.theologika.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/teresa-of-avila-rubens1.jpg[/img]

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[quote name='vee8' date='09 July 2010 - 11:31 PM' timestamp='1278732663' post='2140391']
Ok for Carmelite decorations Id like that Teresa and the tambourine icon in the chapel especially if we can find pics of other saints playing instruments too and put them in a grouping.

In the chapel as well, or maybe library would be better, I'd like this picture.

[img]http://blog.theologika.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/teresa-of-avila-rubens1.jpg[/img]
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Oooh, yes! I like that one!

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Ooo! And how about putting this sketch by St. John of the Cross somewhere in the chapel, too?

[img]http://espliego.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/drawing-by-st-john-of-the-cross.jpg[/img]

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Okay, last picture for the night, I promise! (I'm past my bedtime! )

We simply must have at least one painting of my dear St. Ignatius:

[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/05/Detail_-_Glory_of_St_Ignatius_of_Loyola_-_Rubens_-_1616_-_KHM_-_Vienna.jpg[/img]

That's one of my favorites of him.

You know, this is rather random to say, but I honestly think of Ignatius lived during the time of Dominic, and if they had met... I think they'd be really great friends. And based on what I've read about their physical descriptions, they seem to have looked quite similar, too.

And well, who knows? Maybe Ignatius would have been a Dominican?

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[quote name='laetitia crucis' date='09 July 2010 - 10:37 PM' timestamp='1278733034' post='2140401']
Ooo! And how about putting this sketch by St. John of the Cross somewhere in the chapel, too?

[img]http://espliego.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/drawing-by-st-john-of-the-cross.jpg[/img]
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Agreed! And also in the library this pic of John
[img]http://www.gwynethholston.com/img/gallery/John.JPG[/img]

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[quote name='laetitia crucis' date='09 July 2010 - 10:49 PM' timestamp='1278733797' post='2140413']
Okay, last picture for the night, I promise! (I'm past my bedtime! )

We simply must have at least one painting of my dear St. Ignatius:



That's one of my favorites of him.

You know, this is rather random to say, but I honestly think of Ignatius lived during the time of Dominic, and if they had met... I think they'd be really great friends. And based on what I've read about their physical descriptions, they seem to have looked quite similar, too.

And well, who knows? Maybe Ignatius would have been a Dominican?
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Again I agree, it's shocking I know What would really be shocking is if I objected to that painting! As for Dominic and Ignatius meeting I'm sure they're up in heaven having a great time, possibly playing pool and Ignatius would be winning. What really boggles the mind is that one day hopefully we can be there with them.

Edited July 10, 2010 by vee8

[IgnatiusofLoyola]

[quote name='vee8' date='09 July 2010 - 10:31 PM' timestamp='1278732663' post='2140391']
Ok for Carmelite decorations Id like that Teresa and the tambourine icon in the chapel especially if we can find pics of other saints playing instruments too and put them in a grouping.

In the chapel as well, or maybe library would be better, I'd like this picture.

[img]http://blog.theologika.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/teresa-of-avila-rubens1.jpg[/img]
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Showing my total ignorance, who is that? I'm pretty sure her name is probably Teresa based on the habit, but I don't know which one. I'd prefer St. Catherine of Siena.

BTW--I will have final say about the art in the library. I know you like bloody pictures, Vee8, but I've got kind of a phobia about blood. I can't control what's in the chapel, although I can request a stall that isn't looking at anything too bloody--unless you want me fainting all the time. (You think I'm kidding, but I'm not.) But there will be no blood in the library. It gets on the books and ruins them. And, pictures of St. Therese are not allowed--I always get the feeling she wrote in her cell anyway.

Edited July 10, 2010 by IgnatiusofLoyola

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[quote name='IgnatiusofLoyola' date='09 July 2010 - 11:04 PM' timestamp='1278734675' post='2140421']
Showing my total ignorance, who is that? I'm pretty sure her name is probably Teresa based on the habit, but I don't know which one. I'd prefer St. Catherine of Siena.

BTW--I will have final say about the art in the library. I know you like bloody pictures, Vee8, but I've got kind of a phobia about blood. I can't control what's in the chapel, although I can request a stall that isn't looking at anything too bloody--unless you want me fainting all the time. (You think I'm kidding, but I'm not.) But there will be no blood in the library. It gets on the books and ruins them. And, pictures of St. Therese are not allowed--I always get the feeling she wrote in her cell anyway.
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Don't worry this time last year I had absolutely no clue who she was either. Now, well she's been stalking me for around six months, so if anyone knows a good way to get rid of her, garlic, silver bullet etc Im all ears! . That said she is St Teresa de Jesus or more commonly Teresa of Avila

Here is a pic of Catherine of Siena for the library. She couldn't write so she had to dictate all her books, letters etc.
[img]http://evergreen.loyola.edu/fbauerschmidt/www/images/CATHERIN.GIF[/img]


No Therese pics in library is ok with me because I plan on having a statue of her in the garden

Edited July 10, 2010 by vee8

[Mary Veronica]

you're all interesting geniuses, and getting 30+ notifications, in one night, regarding Ppc posts, is interesting as well. my inbox flooded like a meadow crushed by a sudden landslide [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif[/img].

iiiii better be careful not to watch certain posts where you're all together [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/detective.gif[/img] ...




capes rule!

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We could also put paintings of St. Jerome and St. Catherine of Alexandria in the library -- both patron saints of libraries.

St. Jerome:

[img]http://historyofscience.com/G2I/timeline/images/saint_jerome_2.jpg[/img]

St. Catherine of Alexandria:

[img]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_eDRC7FznR9Y/SSnHif-j6_I/AAAAAAAAAlY/N9EA1tmv9yE/s400/saint+catherine+of+alexandria+reading+a+book+by+marinari.jpg[/img]

[img]http://inillotempore.com/blog/images/St_Catherine_of_Alexandria_Scenes_from_Her_Life.jpg[/img]

[size="1"]And perhaps another one of good old Thom? He kind of belongs in the library and chapel, right?[/size]

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[quote name='Mary Veronica' date='10 July 2010 - 06:34 AM' timestamp='1278761683' post='2140699']
you're all interesting geniuses, and getting 30+ notifications, in one night, regarding Ppc posts, is interesting as well. my inbox flooded like a meadow crushed by a sudden landslide [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif[/img].

iiiii better be careful not to watch certain posts where you're all together [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/detective.gif[/img] ...




capes rule!
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[quote name='laetitia crucis' date='10 July 2010 - 06:43 AM' timestamp='1278762180' post='2140704']
We could also put paintings of St. Jerome and St. Catherine of Alexandria in the library -- both patron saints of libraries.


[size="1"]And perhaps another one of good old Thom? He kind of belongs in the library and chapel, right?[/size]
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for Jerome and Catherine of A but another pic of Thom???? I thought one of the twenty you posted already was for the library! Ok maybe it's a very big library so two of Aquinas might be ok but if you get two of him I want one of Therese in there too! It only makes sense she being a doctor of the church and all. Hey we could have paintings or busts of each of the 33 doctors of the church

The style of Trinity College library in Dublin is one possibility but I think maybe it's a bit too big for us
[img]http://twalshphoto.net/albums/Ireland/slides/Old%20Library%20-%20Trinity%20College%20Dublin.jpg[/img]

edited to add this pic
[img]http://www.scss.tcd.ie/conferences/esslli2007/content/CD_Contents/content/logos/tcd_library.jpg[/img]

Edited July 10, 2010 by vee8