The Ppc

[JTheresa]

nevermind. Faulty pic.

Edited July 7, 2010 by JTheresa

[JTheresa]

I'm really liking this chapel picture, I should go there someday...

[img]http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/01/06/9f/98/interior-of-la-martorana.jpg[/img]

an exterior view.

[img]http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/01/06/9f/97/la-martorana.jpg[/img]

Edited July 7, 2010 by JTheresa

[IgnatiusofLoyola]

[quote name='JTheresa' date='07 July 2010 - 05:39 PM' timestamp='1278542350' post='2139062']
As for a community chapel, I've taken the liberty to start with one of the many smaller ones:

This one shall be called Our Lady of the Angels
[img]http://www.bouguereau.org/Notre-Dame-des-Anges-(Our-Lady-of-the-Angels).jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.franciscan.edu/imagebase/CampusLife/Chapel/port1.jpg[/img]

[img]http://douglawrence.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/portiuncula.jpg[/img]


Of course, the main chapel should be a collaboration of the many diverse members of the community.
And because of our great devotion to Saint Joseph, might I suggest that the main chapel be dedicated to him?
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I like both of those chapels--a lot! You have excellent taste, JTeresa. Unfortunately, the second one might be more difficult to replicate in a new building, since (at least to me) a lot of the chapel's beauty is the fact that it appears be very old. (What chapel is that?)

And, I heartily agree with the suggestion that the main chapel be devoted to St. Joseph--for all kinds of reasons. (Although, with its different charisms, some posters may want to have a different patron saint or an additional one.) But, with the tiny bit I know, I feel that St. Joseph appears to be one of the saints that is especially revered by almost all charisms (please correct me if I'm wrong about this).

I like the name Our Lady of the Angels for one of the chapels. Factoid: When I lived in Los Angeles, people often called it "The City of Angels." But, the real name of Los Angeles (or at least part of its name) is [i]El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora la Reina de los Angeles[/i], that is, "The Village of our Lady, Queen of the Angels."

You've obviously given this a lot of thought, JTeresa. The rest of us may need some time to catch up, for example, to find pictures of monasteries, chapels, etc that they particularly like, or to give their own ideas about what they'd like to have in the community.

And, there are all sorts of other decisions: Habit--Is there one community habit, or do members wear the habits of their individual charisms. (I have no idea how any of this would work from a practical perspective--that's part of the fun of it being a fantasy). Is the community cloistered, semi-cloistered, active--or a mixture? And, of course there is the fun of picking names.

[IgnatiusofLoyola]

[quote name='osapientia' date='07 July 2010 - 05:50 PM' timestamp='1278543023' post='2139072']
I actually knew a small community of Franciscan brothers trying to live St. Francis' rule for brothers in a hermitage(unfortunately they were not able to make a go of it after a few years of trying) who lived in tree houses in The Birkshire Mountains. They did itinerant ministry in the cold weather (in warmer places) then returned to their hermitages when heat was no longer needed. The owner of the land said they were free to use it as long as they did not build permanent structures on the grounds...hence, tree houses.

I love the pics....but I'm a real cenobite at heart...Benedictine to boot, give me covered cloisters, cells, a cloister walk and a cloister garden....but then again if it's for the sake of community...those tree houses look pretty nice. [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif[/img]
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Based on earlier posts, I think there are others who would agree with you, which is why I suggested that perhaps we'd give Sisters the choice of living in a traditional monastery with cells, etc, versus a community of hermitages, or, as we'll probably end up, a mixture of both. For me, I like the idea of having a cell--for some reason, I find it very appealing, but knowing my personality, I would need to "get away" on my own on a somewhat regular basis.

One thing I do know is that I would want a cell--just a standard Sister's cell, nothing special. I couldn't sleep in a dormitory like the one in the picture--I need more "personal space" than that. I know that many people would be fine with a dormitory. I believe, for example, that the novitiate of the Nashville Dominicans includes dormitories (although I'm not sure exactly who sleeps in a dormitory versus a cell). But, I've lived alone too long to adjust to a dormitory for any length of time.

Another question would be whether members of the Community of the same charism would live together, or whether charisms would be "mixed." We like to tease Vee8 that the Carmelites might prefer to live all together, so that they have a private place to shed their "buckets of holy tears" all night, while others of us got a good night's sleep.

I also think that somehow, we would need to work some flexibility into our horarium, while still doing most things as a community. For example, some Sisters might want to rise in the middle of the night, or very early in the morning, while others would sleep through the night. (With myself, definitely among the latter!)

Also, as I mentioned earlier, some Orders are vegetarian--others are not. So, we would need to have a very flexible cook so that Sisters would have a choice of a vegetarian or non-vegetarian diet. My body needs meat. So, while I might end up eating more vegetarian than I eat now, I still couldn't adjust to a completely vegetarian diet (even if it included some fish).

It's a good thing this community is a fantasy, because I suspect in our design, we'll be "breaking some rules" in trying to come up with workable compromises.

BTW--I too, love the idea of a traditional cloister, with covered walks and a cloistered garden.

Edited July 8, 2010 by IgnatiusofLoyola

[JTheresa]

That little chapel, I of L, is the Portiuncula in Assisi, Italy. A prized treasure to all Franciscans.

[Hilde]

How about we brew some trappist beer in this dominican franciscan order of carmel.

[CatherineM]

Every time we do one of these, the boys invade.

This is my idea of a great treehouse.

[img]http://www.maldives-holiday-direct.co.uk/Images/diva-beach-hammock.jpg[/img]

[vee]

[quote name='IgnatiusofLoyola' date='07 July 2010 - 06:33 PM' timestamp='1278545598' post='2139089']
Another question would be whether members of the Community of the same charism would live together, or whether charisms would be "mixed." We like to tease Vee8 that the Carmelites might prefer to live all together, so that they have a private place to shed their "buckets of holy tears" all night, while others of us got a good night's sleep. [/quote]

Lets have cells right next to each other! Hmm I dont know where you might get a good sleep what with the Franciscans up all night singing , the Dominicans debating or preaching, the Carmelites crying or who knows what... maybe the Benedictines might be quiet enough for you

[vee]

Catherine M and Hilde are geniuses!

Edited July 7, 2010 by vee8

[JTheresa]

[quote name='Hilde' date='07 July 2010 - 07:41 PM' timestamp='1278546113' post='2139095']
How about we brew some trappist beer in this dominican franciscan order of carmel.
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We also have some friendly monks who have offered to make our coffee for us...

[img]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_bc3GmDzJFV0/StX6GuzKKsI/AAAAAAAAAYE/OlIJ-qsE_ZA/s400/index_12.jpg[/img]
10% of their sales are donated to Birthright, "a loving alternative to abortion".

mmhmm.

Edited July 8, 2010 by JTheresa

[JTheresa]

hmm, this chapel looks familiar...

[img]http://www.annarbor.com/091709_convent.jpg[/img]

[JTheresa]

Finally!! I found a decent picture of a cell:

[img]http://www.carmelslc.org/pk3bu.jpg[/img]

It's just missing a desk.

[Mary Veronica]

What is the age range? I'm 14, and I want to be a Ppc right away.

Edited July 8, 2010 by Mary Veronica

[Mary Veronica]

Also do aspirants have to take a psychological test? and should it be a PMer that gives that test?

Any particular perequisites? like do we have to know how to dance to be a Franciscan? or have a future potential for fatal-illnesses to be a Carmelite ?

[krissylou]

Benedictines should be in charge of the guest house, and setting out prayer books (with bookmarks! Those things are confusing!) for guests in the chapel.

The Poor Clares and Carmelites can hide behind the cloister if they want.

I wanna be an oblate.