The Ppc

[IgnatiusofLoyola]

[quote name='krissylou' date='04 August 2010 - 01:52 PM' timestamp='1280947944' post='2152103']
We have had many discussions about this.

There was a general consensus around blue habits with pins identifying different charisms.

Discalced is just fine. Sans socks, preferably. When it is chilly then socks are acceptable but they should not under any circumstances be white socks.

When it is cold or muddy then shoes or boots are acceptable. Teresa lived in Spain and Clare lived in Italy. If we were in, say, Wisconsin then sometimes sandals Will Not Do.
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Krissy--Sorry. The consensus was that habits will NOT be blue, but will be white with blue scapulars, mainly because I would find mostly dark blue habits depressing. Everything else you wrote is as decided. Veils will be white, even for professed sisters, but professed sisters will have a blue edge on the part of her veil around the face. Okay?

[IgnatiusofLoyola]

[quote name='Hilde' date='04 August 2010 - 04:02 PM' timestamp='1280955729' post='2152203']
Yeah I was thinking something like this
[img]http://www.clarksshoessize.com/images/Mens%20Clarks%20shoes/Clarks%20Un.penny%20black%20leather%20shoes.jpg[/img]

A variation of it, and I was never planning on wearin white shocks in them. [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif[/img]
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That looks fine, as long as it has a rubber sole that doesn't clack on wood or stone floors.

I know you never planned to wear white socks. Wearing white socks (except with sneakers) will be one of the most grave offenses of the Order.

[IgnatiusofLoyola]

Here's is something close to what we were thinking about for a habit--lot of PPC members want to wear capes, but wearing a cape would be optional. These are the Sisters of Life. Picture their habit, but instead of the cape being blue, make it white. However, like the SOL, the PPC scapular would be blue.

PPC blue would be slightly brighter/lighter than the SOL--not a true navy blue.

This picture gives a good idea of what we'd like the veils of professed sisters to look like--long, white, with a blue edge around the face. Novices would wear all-white veils.

Not sure what postulants would wear. Many members want capes for postulants, too. I don't care, except that the postulant outfit doesn't look like a girls' school uniform from the 1940's/1950's (as so many seem to to do).

Thankfully I love blue and it does have a nice association with Mary. I would love a bright yellow habit, but I've been outvoted on that. Some members were thinking an all-blue habit, but that would make me depressed. So, we compromised on blue and white, and I'll just have to deal with the stains by wearing a large "refectory apron" (something like the work aprons of the Summit NJ nuns, except in PPC blue).

I was thinking, with my name being Sister Polycarp, that many Japanese koi fish (a type of carp) have spots. So, I will be the Sister of many spots. However, Japanese koi fish are rare and beautiful, and live in peaceful, beautiful Japanese gardens. And they like to eat. I can live with that.

[img]http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn264/DGeorge758/Avatars/VillaMariaSisters1.jpg[/img]

Edited August 4, 2010 by IgnatiusofLoyola

[Hilde]

I remember reading some interesting things in the rule of st.Benedict about correcting the disobedient member, I don't have it here right now, but maybe we could look into it for inspiration on possible ramifications of wearing white socks, and especially white socks in sandals.

[Hilde]

double post. whoops.

Edited August 4, 2010 by Hilde

[linnie]

I'd be happy to offer my services as Sr. Infirmariam


Sr. Mary Benedicta of the Little Red Scooter.........RN

[vee]

Of all the rules that I might possibly break wearing white socks will not be one of them since I'll be barefoot as much as possible. . In fact I'd likely be the cause of someone breaking silence to tell me to put some shoes on!

[Tridenteen]

JMJ
May I petition for entrance?
[img]http://dane.weber.org/carmelofmary/postulant.jpg[/img]

[IgnatiusofLoyola]

[quote name='Hilde' date='04 August 2010 - 05:31 PM' timestamp='1280961089' post='2152281']
I remember reading some interesting things in the rule of st.Benedict about correcting the disobedient member, I don't have it here right now, but maybe we could look into it for inspiration on possible ramifications of wearing white socks, and especially white socks in sandals.
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I don't know what Benedictines did, but St. John of the Cross got beaten. Negative on physical agression. Even passive agression.

Let the penalty fit the white sock wearer. If nothing else, with a couple members of community as witnesses, we will provide them with a box of clothes dye, and they will have to dye ALL their white socks black or grey. That will make them look like a total dweeb when they wear sneakers, but until their socks wear out (and we will ask them to darn their dyed socks when they get holes), they will look like a dweeb in sneakers. We won't wear sneakers in public, anyway, but, if anyone asks, we will explain the fashion faux-pas and the rules of the community. Cheap, non-violent, non-wasteful, drives the point home. Works for me.

[krissylou]

[quote name='Tridenteen' date='04 August 2010 - 07:12 PM' timestamp='1280963532' post='2152301']
JMJ
May I petition for entrance?
[img]http://dane.weber.org/carmelofmary/postulant.jpg[/img]
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Certainly ... but we haven't even started the Ordinary Form/Extraordinary Form discussions. Interesting!

How many chapels can one monastery handle???

[Tridenteen]

[img]http://www.fssp.org/album/H20080407/dscn0864.jpg[/img]JMJ
it's ok, they want to come also, and they promise to iron their cassocks[img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/saint.gif[/img]

[vee]

[quote name='Tridenteen' date='04 August 2010 - 06:12 PM' timestamp='1280963532' post='2152301']
JMJ
May I petition for entrance?
[img]http://dane.weber.org/carmelofmary/postulant.jpg[/img]
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Will you be joining us in the Carmelite section?

[Tridenteen]

[img]http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/06KefeCdRH4xQ/340x.jpg[/img]JMJ
maybe I should just wear my community's postulant habit

[IgnatiusofLoyola]

[quote name='Tridenteen' date='04 August 2010 - 06:12 PM' timestamp='1280963532' post='2152301']
JMJ
May I petition for entrance?
[img]http://dane.weber.org/carmelofmary/postulant.jpg[/img]
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Of course, you are most welcome. You can be our expert on the the TLM. (If I've got that wrong it's out of total ignorance, so correct me.) And, the great thing about the community is that everyone is automatically at least 18. Congratulations!

If you haven't finished high school yet, you will find many members of the Community with college educations and advanced degrees who will be glad to "monastery school" you. No idea if we will be better or worse than your mother--but we will be highly competent. I think some of us have even been professional teachers. However, for example, while I don't care very much about bad grammar and typos on Phatmass, on high school essays, both are strictly verboten. However, all my classes include food, so there are consolations.
Even as a postulant, you will be allowed to use a computer for schoolwork. (No Internet, except maybe Phatmass on feast days, since it IS the Phatmass Phemale community, and Phatmass needs our collective wisdom. Notice how we rarely, if ever, fight on VS--I think we have something to teach the rest of Phatmass.)

You will also be expected to be among our choir members--no babysitting required.

Do you like the postulant outfit in that picture? Or would you prefer something different?

[IgnatiusofLoyola]

[quote name='Tridenteen' date='04 August 2010 - 06:22 PM' timestamp='1280964151' post='2152312']
[img]http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/06KefeCdRH4xQ/340x.jpg[/img]JMJ
maybe I should just wear my community's postulant habit
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Seriously? That looks almost Amish. And, it's almost exactly the same as the original habit of the Blessed Pauline and the Sisters of Christian Charity who live across the street from me. One day, Sister Helen and I were in the parlor looking at a picture of the Blessed Pauline. Sister Helen said, "That's what I used to look like." The PPC's "color" is "PPC blue" which is slightly lighter than navy blue, with a lot of white, so the habit above may be too dark for the PPC. I read about one community that had the postulants wear pink, because it was cheerful! LOL