Laudate_Dominum Posted July 7, 2010 Author Share Posted July 7, 2010 [quote name='Hilde' date='07 July 2010 - 03:48 PM' timestamp='1278532137' post='2139007'] Yeh if we are truly seperate species producing fertile offspring wouldn't work as far as i know from what I'v elearned in biology. What I had heard is that we and the neanderthals grew out as seperate branches from a common anchestor. But I also have a difficulty considering them another race( how this is used for humans such as black, white etc is not the most scientific) because although there can be great difference between a chihuahua and a grand danois, one doesn't wear a tie and make hadron colliers while the other acts like a total neanderthal. [/quote] That's sounds racist! Or speciesist? lawl. They lived in small hunter-gatherer societies so of course the wouldn't have the cultural and technological developments of high civilization. I don't think this makes them inferior though. Perhaps the tendency to interpret the Neanderthals as brutes (even among scientists) will come to an end now that it is accepted that they're our ancestors. Perhaps an alternative would be to recognize Africans as the master race. Having said this, I don't think it is necessary to believe that homo sapiens sapiens and homo sapiens neanderthalensis were cognitively equivalent. We certainly weren't the same physically. Still, I think it is clear that they were persons and if we were to transport some Neanderthal babies to today's world, and raise then as modern humans, I see little reason to suppose that they'd turn out 'inferior' to the majority of us. Also, bragging about our vast technological achievements doesn't do justice to the skills and knowledge of primitive peoples. Most modern people would be helpless infants if thrust into the Neanderthals world. As an enthusiast of flint-knapping and other primitive skills I have a great admiration of their evident skills and culture. I wish it were possible to know much more about their way of life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilde Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 Racist lawl. Actually I can't really be racist with humans knowing that the distinction we eke within our own species isn't really races in the true sense. I'm not sure if they'd be raised by humans today they'd be like us. Like what one would call "normal"Would they have human rights? Human dignity equal to ours? I don't measure dignity in humans by intelligence or some other factors although some might do that. And I'm not a chronological snb. I really am not. I try to avoid using and paying heed to arguments like that. I just picked out ties and hadron colliders at random. I've never built one, or even one of those stars on earth made by a lot of lasers that some scientist decided for us was a good idea. In 2012! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted July 8, 2010 Author Share Posted July 8, 2010 [quote name='Hilde' date='07 July 2010 - 04:19 PM' timestamp='1278533978' post='2139024'] Racist lawl. Actually I can't really be racist with humans knowing that the distinction we eke within our own species isn't really races in the true sense. I'm not sure if they'd be raised by humans today they'd be like us. Like what one would call "normal"Would they have human rights? Human dignity equal to ours? I don't measure dignity in humans by intelligence or some other factors although some might do that. And I'm not a chronological snb. I really am not. I try to avoid using and paying heed to arguments like that. I just picked out ties and hadron colliders at random. I've never built one, or even one of those stars on earth made by a lot of lasers that some scientist decided for us was a good idea. In 2012! [/quote] I was only teasing Hilde, no worries. Although, I am sensitive about this as I am part Neanderthal. I'm very proud of my Neanderthal heritage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 I remember a few months ago when Ell Dee and I were discussing this topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffpugh Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 [quote name='Resurrexi' date='07 July 2010 - 09:55 PM' timestamp='1278554118' post='2139146'] I remember a few months ago when Ell Dee and I were discussing this topic. [/quote] I do recall this as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Normile Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 (edited) "Humans and Neanderthals probably fell in love and made babies" sounds far fetched to me! Why would a more advanced and probably fairer race be interested in a closer to animal race of beings? Seems more likely a case of rape, if it happened at all. I love how the science , or educated guesses, seem to change every decade or so, I guess it comes down to comes to who rises to prominence in academia at the time and what views they profess. Of course if this were true it may explain the Canadians. ed Edited July 8, 2010 by Ed Normile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted July 8, 2010 Author Share Posted July 8, 2010 [quote name='Ed Normile' date='07 July 2010 - 11:29 PM' timestamp='1278559763' post='2139196'] "Humans and Neanderthals probably fell in love and made babies" sounds far fetched to me! Why would a more advanced and probably fairer race be interested in a closer to animal race of beings? Seems more likely a case of rape, if it happened at all. I love how the science , or educated guesses, seem to change every decade or so, I guess it comes down to comes to who rises to prominence in academia at the time and what views they profess. Of course if this were true it may explain the Canadians. ed [/quote] Was just a funny way of saying they mated. For all we know Neanderthals were enslaved, raped and then sacrificed to the river god. But seriously, don't be hating on Neanderthal brah. They're people too, and they're my cherished ancestors. And don't be dissing the field. It changes because we discover new stuff. This is awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffpugh Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 [quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='07 July 2010 - 11:43 PM' timestamp='1278560605' post='2139208'] Was just a funny way of saying they mated. For all we know Neanderthals were enslaved, raped and then sacrificed to the river god. But seriously, don't be hating on Neanderthal brah. They're people too, and they're my cherished ancestors. And don't be dissing the field. It changes because we discover new stuff. This is awesome. [/quote] LAwl. River god. Wait--you goona let him dis us Canucks? Oh wait, Neanderthal rawks. Red hair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus_lol Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 after reading the differences between neanderthals and normal humans, much stockier and more powerful, with larger brains, I doubt our "fairer" facial bone structure would be enough to raid their villages with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slappo Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 [quote name='Jesus_lol' date='07 July 2010 - 10:56 PM' timestamp='1278568615' post='2139251'] after reading the differences between neanderthals and normal humans, much stockier and more powerful, with larger brains, I doubt our "fairer" facial bone structure would be enough to raid their villages with. [/quote] My thoughts exactly... They kind of seem better than us for fist fights... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted July 8, 2010 Author Share Posted July 8, 2010 [quote name='Jesus_lol' date='08 July 2010 - 01:56 AM' timestamp='1278568615' post='2139251'] after reading the differences between neanderthals and normal humans, much stockier and more powerful, with larger brains, I doubt our "fairer" facial bone structure would be enough to raid their villages with. [/quote][quote name='Slappo' date='08 July 2010 - 02:07 PM' timestamp='1278612466' post='2139367'] My thoughts exactly... They kind of seem better than us for fist fights... [/quote] Put a donk on it! [IMG]http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h119/NoonienSoong_2006/variosity/donk1.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h119/NoonienSoong_2006/variosity/like.jpg[/IMG] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dUSt Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 Clan of the Cave Bear was right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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